HMRC Enquiries: Bedouin/Redstone

[recce45]

Bedouin

My demand for payment arrived last week sent straight to Bedouin. They have given me details of a tax specialist and the accountant that completed my self assessment has offered to help on an individual basis which will cost.

I have 30 days to appeal and am currently considering my options. I'm finding it difficult to justify paying for individual advice as the scheme was generic amongst its users.

If anyone is involved in group action can you please PM me?

Hi, I use Bedouin and have recieved a section 9A. How do I PM you as I would be intersted in joining some action group.

[SimonJones]

Hi which cases are these? i've found this one where full disclosure was made and it was ruled that HMRC could not issue a discovery notice
HMRC not entitled to discovery assessment | AccountingWEB

Interesting read! but don't understand, where the scheme is registered under DOTAS, than what difference does it make whether the DOTAS SRN was added onto Tax return or not (as the scheme DOTAS is already registered with HMRC in the first place)?

[DotasScandal]

Interesting read! but don't understand, where the scheme is registered under DOTAS, than what difference does it make whether the DOTAS SRN was added onto Tax return or not (as the scheme DOTAS is already registered with HMRC in the first place)?

If you did not disclose the SRN on your return, then HMRC have basically no direct way to link you to the scheme, do they? (short of obtaining a list of scheme users by some shady methods, that is).

[regron]

If you did not disclose the SRN on your return, then HMRC have basically no direct way to link you to the scheme, do they? (short of obtaining a list of scheme users by some shady methods, that is).

Hence I believe that is why they have started sending out compliance check enquiry letters, to schemes either not referenced, or not believed to be required to under DOTAS. That must be the next target IMO and will probably bring GAAR into play !! Even worse !!!

[SimonJones]

If you did not disclose the SRN on your return, then HMRC have basically no direct way to link you to the scheme, do they? (short of obtaining a list of scheme users by some shady methods, that is).

Probably looking in this a wrong way... but on the tax return the employer name is specified. This employer has has already registered with HMRC as a DOATAS. Are you telling me HMRC can't relate this employer as a DOTAS?

[DotasScandal]

Probably looking in this a wrong way... but on the tax return the employer name is specified. This employer has has already registered with HMRC as a DOATAS. Are you telling me HMRC can't relate this employer as a DOTAS?

In that particular case, maybe that is the case, but DOTAS schemes encompass much, much more than just employment intermediaries.

[Dylan]

If you did not disclose the SRN on your return, then HMRC have basically no direct way to link you to the scheme, do they? (short of obtaining a list of scheme users by some shady methods, that is).

I thought the schemes made a regular return with lists of users?

[StrengthInNumbers]

If you did not disclose the SRN on your return, then HMRC have basically no direct way to link you to the scheme, do they? (short of obtaining a list of scheme users by some shady methods, that is).

They definitely also got P11D with loans and employer details which registered the Dotas scheme. If they can find Dotas users for everything now sure they could have found it then

[SimonJones]

They definitely also got P11D with loans and employer details which registered the Dotas scheme. If they can find Dotas users for everything now sure they could have found it then

Totally agree!

This is why I think it dosen't matter whether the SRN is specified in the return or not, providing the scheme was registered.

This is why I find it difficult to understand that where SRN is specified, discovery is void!

[webberg]

If you did not disclose the SRN on your return, then HMRC have basically no direct way to link you to the scheme, do they? (short of obtaining a list of scheme users by some shady methods, that is).

They don't need shady methods. Whomever discloses may be required to supply a list of users.