England crushed like the bug it is!!

[suityou01]

Now you're getting somewhere. So why is there a winning mentality in plenty of other sports in England?

Why did Spain (previous cupwinners) get dumped out first round, same as us?

Why were Uruguay not down to ten men?

Why did Rooney's header hit the bar?

Could chance also play a part?

[Mich the Tester]

Why did Spain (previous cupwinners) get dumped out first round, same as us?

Why were Uruguay not down to ten men?

Why did Rooney's header hit the bar?

Could chance also play a part?

You're talking about one tournament where 'chance' plays a part, plus a team that won the Copa America in 1967, 1983 and 1987.

I'm talking about 48 years of failing to win anything of consequence; that isn't luck.

[darmstadt]

Why did Spain (previous cupwinners) get dumped out first round, same as us?

Why were Uruguay not down to ten men?

Why did Rooney's header hit the bar?

Could chance also play a part?

- Spain is down to their fault. The football they were playing 4 years ago was different to most other countries but other teams now know how to nullify it. This can easily be seen by Barcelona's inability to get anywhere this year by continuing to use these tactics whereas the other Spanish teams have moved on to a more fluid attacking style. Also Bosque made a mistake in the goalkeeper, Casillas is no longer no. 1 at real and has slowly fallen out of favour

- Uruguay not having a red card was a refereeing decision and could have gone both ways but unluckily for England it went the wrong way. However, its not the worst decision made in this tournament (look at the referee in the first game and Mexico's 2 disallowed goals)

- Rooneys header wasn't exactly a header, it was more off his neck and wasn't really aimed. If it had of gone in then it would have been a lucky goal

England didn't play badly but there was no killer instinct and too many defensive cock-ups. I was watching the England-Italy game in a boozer in Hamburg and one of the patrons got it quite right by stating that it was a typical European match, pass it around at the back a lot and then long ball forward and then compare that with most of the south American teams who from the start, go straight for the jugular and keep it up the whole game.

Ultimately, it always comes back to the same thing. When Roy Hodgson and his players arrived back in Rio de Janeiro it was to the best training facilities in the city. They have a 72-strong entourage from the Football Association including a psychiatrist, nutritionists, a turf specialist, a cook and at least one guy whose job seems to be to spray the players with water when they start overheating. They have industrial fans and heat chambers and individually tailored recovery drinks after inviting scientists from Loughborough University to study their sweat patterns.

So basically they had everything and everyone to back them up but:

And this is what it all comes back to: if everything was arranged so meticulously, every box ticked and everyone approving, there is only one place to begin and that is with the football, the old-fashioned way. England’s World Cup is not unravelling because of injuries, or fatigue, or mutinies, or disagreements, or logistical nightmares. It is purely an issue about how they have treated the ball and the now-familiar story that seems to crop up every time they encounter decent opposition. Or, in Uruguay’s case, half-decent opposition, bearing in mind Óscar Tabárez’s side finished fifth in their qualifying group, and required a play-off against Jordan just to be here. Uruguay, for all Luis Suárez’s gifts, really were no great shakes.

Sadly I think that every Englishman was expecting this

[BrilloPad]

You're talking about one tournament where 'chance' plays a part, plus a team that won the Copa America in 1967, 1983 and 1987.

I'm talking about 48 years of failing to win anything of consequence; that isn't luck.

From 1962 to 1982 they failed to qualify each time.

[Mich the Tester]

From 1962 to 1982 they failed to qualify each time.

So what, they've still won more things than England. Arguably not much point in qualifying if you're out of your depth when you get there.

[BrilloPad]

Arguably not much point in qualifying if you're out of your depth when you get there.

Sounds like the Scottish team slogan.

[darmstadt]

You're talking about one tournament where 'chance' plays a part, plus a team that won the Copa America in 1967, 1983 and 1987.

I'm talking about 48 years of failing to win anything of consequence; that isn't luck.

Okay, it depends on what you mean by 'anything of consequence' but England did win the home International back in 1983 and then the Rous Cup in 1989 (Chile came 3rd.) They also won the FIFA Fair Play trophy in 1998

[Mich the Tester]

They also won the FIFA Fair Play trophy in 1998

You mean the 'You're crap but we like you Prize'?

[Mich the Tester]

Okay, it depends on what you mean by 'anything of consequence' but England did win the home International back in 1983 and then the Rous Cup in 1989 (Chile came 3rd.) They also won the FIFA Fair Play trophy in 1998

Which was abandoned because the supporters of England and Scotland kept rioting and beating the tulip out of each other. Fooking losers, ruining the chances of their own national teams.

Though large numbers of travelling Scots to London had been a feature of England-Scotland games for many years, travelling English support to Glasgow was negligible in comparison until 1987 when minor scuffles broke out on the Hampden Park terracing. In 1989, major disturbances across Glasgow were reported as significant numbers of English hooligans appeared at this fixture for the first time. With English club sides banned from European football at the time, the FA were anxious not to see the national side banned too and the Scotland-England match was a high profile game that brought interest from across the world. This was a major factor in the demise of the fixture.

[BrilloPad]

You mean the 'You're crap but we like you Prize'?

Sounds more like the guardian "everyone gets a prize".