England crushed like the bug it is!!

[suityou01]

Oh dear, another one who's misunderstood it.

If there is more than one, then perhaps the fault lies with your post. Another one who needs to get down off their f****** soapbox.

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[darmstadt]

So how you sing a song determines how patriotic you are? Someone should of told Spain 4 years ago...

FIFA World Cup 2010: Holland v Spain National Anthems - YouTube

Not necessarily, its just one point used to demonstrate that playing for your country is the greatest honour a sportsman can have rather than concentrating on your 1 million pound a month salary back home...

Brazil:

[Mich the Tester]

If there is more than one, then perhaps the fault lies with your post. Another one who needs to get down off their f****** soapbox.

Join EO on the naughty step.

So would you deny that English football is ridden with reverse snobbery, and would you claim that it manages to attract the most talented sportspeople?

There has to be a reason for 48 years of failure.

[suityou01]

So would you deny that English football is ridden with reverse snobbery, and would you claim that it manages to attract the most talented sportspeople?

There has to be a reason for 48 years of failure.

I think the reverse snobbery you mention is in the lower leagues. There are quite a few educated football players, and highly intelligent (in the brain sense) players. To broad brush them as all off the estate is a significant step too far.

[Mich the Tester]

I think the reverse snobbery you mention is in the lower leagues. There are quite a few educated football players, and highly intelligent (in the brain sense) players. To broad brush them as all off the estate if a significant step too far.

Of course they aren't ALL like that.

[suityou01]

Of course they aren't ALL like that.

The 48 years of failure is an interesting point. Mentality is a big point I would raise here.

Ze Germans are better than anyone at penalties. Why?

The whole world over, we are branded as whining whingers. Why?

We just don't have a winning mentality. How they fostered a winning mentality, agin the grain, in team sports that we have won major tournaments at is beyond by limited brain capacity to understand. I would look there first and try and replicate.

[Mich the Tester]

The 48 years of failure is an interesting point. Mentality is a big point I would raise here.

Ze Germans are better than anyone at penalties. Why?

The whole world over, we are branded as whining whingers. Why?

We just don't have a winning mentality. How they fostered a winning mentality, agin the grain, in team sports that we have won major tournaments at is beyond by limited brain capacity to understand. I would look there first and try and replicate.

Now you're getting somewhere. So why is there a winning mentality in plenty of other sports in England?

[Gym beast]

I'll ask again: what does a football game have to do with England?

Football is a minor business activity (I assume people realise it has next to nothing to do with sport) and the results of its various tournaments are essentially of no relevance to its trading activities, and definitely of no relevance to the state of the nation as a whole.

I really, really don't know which fallacy to start with.


I'll give you some advice - put those lines of thought out to your fellow tipplers at your nearest pub tonight. Let's see the result.

[TheBigD]

Not necessarily, its just one point used to demonstrate that playing for your country is the greatest honour a sportsman can have rather than concentrating on your 1 million pound a month salary back home...

Exactly. You seem to think that the English players don't believe that "playing for your country is the greatest honour a sportsman can have". Why?

They played badly, and they lost, same as Spain. Are the Spanish players not patriotic?

50% of the teams are eliminated from the groups so it shouldn't be too big a surprise that occasionally we'll be one of them.

[Mich the Tester]

Exactly. You seem to think that the English players don't believe that "playing for your country is the greatest honour a sportsman can have". Why?

I don't think that questioning the motivation of individual players is worthwhile; I'm pretty sure the players on the field were highly motivated to win but in the end didn't know how, and that the manager genuinely did the best job he can. It's a collective problem, and not an individual failure.