Halal Meat?

[lilelvis2000]

If they are stunned in normal fashion I don't have a problem with somebody saying a daft prayer but I certainly object to the other sort which is about 12% of Halal/Kosher meat according to the RSPCA.

Also, it appears the scale of such meat we eat is being underrepresented. Some parts of the animal cannot be eaten according to Kosher law, so the whole hindquarters of meat slaughtered by Kosher methods is in fact sold as non-kosher meat.

As far as I know...halal does allow stunning, but kosher does not at all.

[darmstadt]

Just one of a constant stream of Islamic atrocities, just three other recent attacks on school kids or students in Nigeria here:

BBC News - Nigeria school raid in Yobe state leaves 29 dead
Boko Haram Islamists in Nigeria accused of killing sleeping children | World news | theguardian.com
BBC News - Nigeria attack: Students shot dead as they slept

Last year, until I got bored with it, I briefly kept a list: (And I have all the links)
25/8/13 Nigeria 44 dead
19/9/13 Nigeria 87 dead
21/9/13-24/9/13 Nairobi 68+ dead
22/9/13 Pakistan 78+ dead
29/9/13 Nigeria up to 50 dead
29/9/13 Pakistan 33+ dead

Was that an unusual month? I don't think so. But let's keep on bleating about democratic, tolerant and peaceful Islam.

Disgusting I know.

Although not that recent but I believe that a lot of Jews were killed by Christians in an atrocity ordered by this man:

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the
Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the
work of the Lord."

"I say: my Christian feeling tells me that my lord and savior is a warrior"

In the years 1942-1943 also in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveli, a practising Catholic and regular visitor to the then pope.

Then there was the murder of Muslims by Christian Serbs not that long ago in what could quite conceivably be called an atrocity...

Both Serbs and Croats have claimed that Muslims are not a genuine nationality but are 'really' Serbs or Croats beneath their religion.

1994 and the Rwandan massacres:

"Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda's capital Kigali for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family and allegedly murdered Tutsis in the most brutal manner. He is reported to have accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his cowl. In fact there has been a bloody slaughter of Tutsis seeking shelter in his parish. Even two years after the massacres many Catholics refuse to set foot on the threshold of their church, because to them the participation of a certain part of the clergy in the slaughter is well established. There is almost no church in Rwanda that has not seen refugees - women, children, old - being brutally butchered facing the crucifix.

According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tutsis and turned them over to the machetes of the Hutu militia.

In connection with these events again and again two Benedictine nuns are mentioned, both of whom have fled into a Belgian monastery in the meantime to avoid prosecution. According to survivors one of them called the Hutu killers and led them to several thousand people who had sought shelter in her monastery. By force the doomed were driven out of the churchyard and were murdered in the presence of the nun right in front of the gate. The other one is also reported to have directly cooperated with the murderers of the Hutu militia. In her case again witnesses report that she watched the slaughtering of people in cold blood and without showing response. She is even accused of having procured some petrol used by the killers to set on fire and burn their victims alive..."

Then again isn't George Bush a born again Christian and I think his hands are bloodied and lets not talk about the church and its abuse of young people. Now what do all these atrocities have in common?

[stek]

2400 killed in Pakistan by US Drones over last five years not to be sniffed at....

[speling bee]

The Lord's Resistance Army can be a bit kill-ey as well.

[xoggoth]

Although not that recent

A rather significant fact. Yes, awful things have happened in history and the rise in Islamic extremism is fairly recent, however those of us who do not have time machines are understandably more concerned with what is happening today.

Lil Elvis/spelling Bee are also correct to point out that there are attacks on Muslims in Burma, India etc (and China too) or US actions (I'm not in favour of drones either - kill too many innocent people and certainly no Bush fan) but there is simply not the scale of atrocities worldwide for a single cause that you can attribute to Islam - Nigeria, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Syria, Egypt, Somalia, CAR, Indonesia and Iraq are just the worst of them. In India and Burma the atrocities are hardly one way either.

Once moderate Bangladesh, the reality we never hear about:

Numerous attacks have been waged on the Hindu community across Bangladesh in the wake of the January 5th general 'election'. Houses and business establishments owned by Hindus have been targeted. Other ethnic and non-Muslim communities have also been attacked. Temples and religious sites have not been spared. Few hundred Hindu families have lost their property and savings in acts of vandalism, loot, and arson. Numerous women and children from minority communities, have fled their homes, and are in hiding in fear of further attacks. Their homes destroyed, some sleep under the open sky in the cold air of winter nights. Neither the state nor humanitarian organizations have responded with adequate food and shelter for the victims.

BANGLADESH: Attacks on non-Muslims must stop now, forever

Another example of a "moderate" Islamic nation, Indonesia. From the BBC:

International human rights groups say more hardline fringe groups have been harassing religious minorities in recent years. The Indonesian president has been criticised for not doing enough to protect the rights of all citizens.

BBC News - Indonesia: Angry Muslim crowd attacks Java churches

Closer to home, the majority of terrorist incidents in the EU, after separatist attacks, are from Islamists, Closer still, again from the BBC:

Police are foiling a terrorism plot as big as the 7 July attacks every year

BBC News - Terrorism plot size of 7/7 attacks 'foiled every year'

[xoggoth]

As far as I know...halal does allow stunning, but kosher does not at all.

Quite true according to the RSPCA. Inexcusable to put stupid religion above civilised principles whichever religion it is.

[speling bee]

A rather significant fact. Yes, awful things have happened in history and the rise in Islamic extremism is fairly recent, however those of us who do not have time machines are understandably more concerned with what is happening today.

Lil Elvis/spelling Bee are also correct to point out that there are attacks on Muslims in Burma, India etc (and China too) or US actions (I'm not in favour of drones either - kill too many innocent people and certainly no Bush fan) but there is simply not the scale of atrocities worldwide for a single cause that you can attribute to Islam - Nigeria, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Syria, Egypt, Somalia, CAR, Indonesia and Iraq are just the worst of them. In India and Burma the atrocities are hardly one way either.

Once moderate Bangladesh, the reality we never hear about:


BANGLADESH: Attacks on non-Muslims must stop now, forever

Another example of a "moderate" Islamic nation, Indonesia. From the BBC:


BBC News - Indonesia: Angry Muslim crowd attacks Java churches

Closer to home, the majority of terrorist incidents in the EU, after separatist attacks, are from Islamists, Closer still, again from the BBC:


BBC News - Terrorism plot size of 7/7 attacks 'foiled every year'

There's a good chunk of terrorists in the EU who are right wing nationalists, often of a Christian orientation, Xog.

[SantaClaus]

I wish people would get their facts right.

This is how I always understood kosher meat is slaughtered:

"Shechitah ensures the the animal is slaughtered so that it feels no pain, and also ensures the meat is of the best quality. It is a very difficult process, however, and it requires years of experience, a vast knowledge of biblical laws, and experience with the anatomy of the animal being slaughtered."

How to Properly Slaughter a Cow Under the Kosher Method Shechitah

When you look into the reasons behind many kosher laws, such as not being able to eat dairy and meat together, or not eating the blood of the animal, or not eating shellfish, a lot of it is to do with health reasons.

[DodgyAgent]

Disgusting I know.

Although not that recent but I believe that a lot of Jews were killed by Christians in an atrocity ordered by this man:





Then there was the murder of Muslims by Christian Serbs not that long ago in what could quite conceivably be called an atrocity...



1994 and the Rwandan massacres:



Then again isn't George Bush a born again Christian and I think his hands are bloodied and lets not talk about the church and its abuse of young people. Now what do all these atrocities have in common?

and don't forget all the Germans that were killed in the two world wars by the allies

[darmstadt]

and don't forget all the Germans that were killed in the two world wars by the allies

What a surprise posting...Come on, surely you can better that... How about the Afrikaans killed by the British in the Boer Wars?