1/3rd to be 'non white

[speling bee]

Why would I provide an answer, short or otherwise, that is totally irrelevant to the point I made? Are you total incapable of grasping a point? They are not comparable because we are in a very different world. Here is what I said yet again:



Russian and Spanish civil wars were civil wars, believe it or not, conflicts within nations over political and class differences, not wars between nations. They show we need to reduce tensions within nations not increase them by putting more and more of very different views, whatever form those different views take, in close proximity.

But doesn't it look as if the more immigration there is, the fewer major wars there are?

[Mich the Tester]

Nationalism is always compared to Hitler's Germany but, in the modern world, with the checks and controls we have to ensure nations coexist with a degree of mutual respect, I think those days are as much part of history as Britain colonising Africa. The problems of civil wars, tribal wars and other internal conflicts and tensions within nations remain and the key to solving those is to aim for nations with cohesive societies.

Well, Bosnians, Croatians, Montenegrans and now Ukrainians might disagree.

Plus; Britain and other western countries might not have any choice but to get involved in Saharan Africa given the fundamentalist loons threatening to take over there and cause refugee migrations on a scale that we've never seen before; France has already been involved in Mali all over again for precisely that reason.

[doodab]

Much better than now. Were there any riots in France remotely comparable to those we saw in 2005?

I believe they had a bit of social unrest in the late 18th century, but apart from that you're right.

[Mich the Tester]

I believe they had a bit of social unrest in the late 18th century, but apart from that you're right.

6 February 1934 crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

16 dead, 2000 injured on the streets in Paris.

[speling bee]

Well, Bosnians, Croatians, Montenegrans and now Ukrainians might disagree.

Plus; Britain and other western countries might not have any choice but to get involved in Saharan Africa given the fundamentalist loons threatening to take over there and cause refugee migrations on a scale that we've never seen before; France has already been involved in Mali all over again for precisely that reason.

The Yugoslav civil wars and the current Ukranian crisis are interesting as they are post WW2 European conflicts in countries without mass immigration.

[doodab]

I would suspect that countries experiencing mass immigration are less likely to have civil war for much the same reason they have mass immigration i.e. they have healthy economies. Immigrants don't tend to head for basket case places.

[xoggoth]

But doesn't it look as if the more immigration there is, the fewer major wars there are?

Good grief. Has Sasguru been teaching you statistics?? More people are using mobile phones today, maybe that's the reason for the drop in nation vs nation wars. International treaties, military organisations and the necessity for international trade look a much better explanation than either.

If immigration reduced tensions then surely tensions within nations would be reducing. In fact there are numerous areas of serious racial and ethnic tensions, Myanmar and India on the borders of Bangladesh, in SA against migrants from other African countries, in the US between blacks and Hispanics, in Indian cities against those from other parts of India. You will find a full list on the net. It would hard to find a single place in the world where people of different ethnicity coexist side by side with zero tensions. European nations are very tolerant compared to some places, but France, Italy, Belgium, Spain, the Netherlands and the UK have all seen riots sparked by ethnic tensions. In some of these, as in Birmingham 2005, the indigenous population was not even involved.

[speling bee]

Good grief. Has Sasguru been teaching you statistics?? More people are using mobile phones today, maybe that's the reason for the drop in nation vs nation wars. International treaties, military organisations and the necessity for international trade look a much better explanation than either.

If immigration reduced tensions then surely tensions within nations would be reducing. In fact there are numerous areas of serious racial and ethnic tensions, Myanmar and India on the borders of Bangladesh, in SA against migrants from other African countries, in the US between blacks and Hispanics, in Indian cities against those from other parts of India. You will find a full list on the net. It would hard to find a single place in the world where people of different ethnicity coexist side by side with zero tensions. European nations are very tolerant compared to some places, but France, Italy, Belgium, Spain, the Netherlands and the UK have all seen riots sparked by ethnic tensions. In some of these, as in Birmingham 2005, the indigenous population was not even involved.

Who said immigration reduces tensions? I'm interested in your views on the apparent correlation between increased immigration and reducing incidence of major wars?

Increasing use of mobile phones in Ukraine doesn't appear to correlate with peace, so we can discount that.

Perhaps less cohesive countries can't be arsed to go to war with their neighbours? Maybe there's another reason?

[d000hg]

There are other large scale European wars of note within the 50 year pre mass immigration timeframe, such as the Russian and Spanish civil wars.

That wasn't the question you asked... can you rephrase exactly what type of conflicts count, and in what exact time periods?

[xoggoth]

I would suspect that countries experiencing mass immigration are less likely to have civil war for much the same reason they have mass immigration i.e. they have healthy economies. Immigrants don't tend to head for basket case places.

Very true. Although tensions short of civil war - riots, gang membership, religious extremism or terrorism by youths who feel excluded, aiding illegal immigration, crimes by those who feel no duty to our society or failure to report crimes by those who have no trust in our authorities, are all very costly problems too

PS By those who have no trust in our authorities I mean those who have even less than we do.