1/3rd to be 'non white

[xoggoth]

I look forward to the day when there's been so much intermarriage that the myth of "race" and "white" will be dead and buried.

If only it was that simple. Most tensions are not between people of different colour, it is the culture, beliefs and conflict of interests that cause the problems. There is more violence against African migrants to SA than there is towards white South Africans because of the perceived impact on jobs.

Some would say that when people have been moving freely for a few centuries we will enter one world and racism will be a thing of the past. That seems most unlikely, mingling will never be at sufficient level to combat growth of regional interests.

[original PM]

Thing is even if you did get rid of issues relating to skin colour - as others have said it is about values and traditions.

In general those people who wish to rule will do so by highlighting a way that those people who are loyal to him/her are better than those not loyal to him/her and therefore it is acceptable to treat these other people as second class citizens/slaves etc

you need to ignore the issue people are raising and actually look at the people raising them and what they get to gain from it.

[xoggoth]

was rather thinking of two world wars and various civil wars and wars of independence

Civil wars are about differences within nations as I said and I also did say in the last 50 years. With bodies like the UN and NATO and, given that international trade has become so important to most nations and few can afford to do as they like and risk sanctions, it is far harder for national imperialists to simply invade and conquer other nations as they once did, the consequences are huge.

Nationalism is always compared to Hitler's Germany but, in the modern world, with the checks and controls we have to ensure nations coexist with a degree of mutual respect, I think those days are as much part of history as Britain colonising Africa. The problems of civil wars, tribal wars and other internal conflicts and tensions within nations remain and the key to solving those is to aim for nations with cohesive societies.

[darmstadt]

Much better than now. Were there any riots in France remotely comparable to those we saw in 2005? The two worst riots in the UK were sparked by race issues.

Je suis Marxiste—tendance Groucho. 1968, they weren't a bundle of laughs when you were on your way to school

[speling bee]

If only it was that simple. Most tensions are not between people of different colour, it is the culture, beliefs and conflict of interests that cause the problems. There is more violence against African migrants to SA than there is towards white South Africans because of the perceived impact on jobs. One could say that when people have been moving freely for a few centuries we will enter one world and racism will be a thing of the past. That seems most unlikely, mingling will never be at sufficient level to combat growth of regional interests.

So are you saying that increasing immigration correlates with increasing peace?

[xoggoth]

So are you saying that increasing immigration correlates with increasing peace?

What? Just the opposite. You can read?

[speling bee]

What? Just the opposite. You can read?

So how many world wars have we had since mass immigration started in Europe and how many did we have in the 50 years before? A short answer please.

[d000hg]

So how many world wars have we had since mass immigration started in Europe and how many did we have in the 50 years before? A short answer please.

When you only have two data points and they lie within 50 years of each other, and are partially causally linked, such questions are pointless.

[speling bee]

When you only have two data points and they lie within 50 years of each other, and are partially causally linked, such questions are pointless.

There are other large scale European wars of note within the 50 year pre mass immigration timeframe, such as the Russian and Spanish civil wars.

[xoggoth]

So how many world wars have we had since mass immigration started in Europe and how many did we have in the 50 years before? A short answer please.

Why would I provide an answer, short or otherwise, that is totally irrelevant to the point I made? Are you total incapable of grasping a point? They are not comparable because we are in a very different world. Here is what I said yet again:

With bodies like the UN and NATO, and given that international trade has become so important to most nations and few can afford to do as they like and risk sanctions, it is far harder for national imperialists to simply invade and conquer other nations as they once did, the consequences are huge.
...with the checks and controls we have to ensure nations coexist with a degree of mutual respect, I think those days are as much part of history as Britain colonising Africa

Russian and Spanish civil wars were civil wars, believe it or not, conflicts within nations over political and class differences, not wars between nations. They show we need to reduce tensions within nations not increase them by putting more and more of very different views, whatever form those different views take, in close proximity.