Ukip posterboy suspended after claiming 'Miliband not British'

[SueEllen]

F*** off Upricks

As they say in Saff London.

[speling bee]

If Miliband is technically British, then I am technically German.

That's a strawman and you know it.

Ummm. Technically Miliband is British because he is a British citizen, born in Britain, the son of naturalised British citizens. Either your position in Germany is equivalent, or you first statement is incorrect, or I have made an error in my argument.

[SueEllen]

That's a strawman and you know it.

His point is that he doesn't have the genealogical make up of being British, in that his parents aren't British, that his parents cultural, religious and national make up was not British. In that point of HIS, he is correct. He is English not by parent, but location, as much as I am German by the same thing. Does having citizenry make you one of them? A friend recently become a citizen of the US of A, does that make him american? My friends parents were immigrants from Italy who are English citizens, but that's a piece of paper, as they are in every facet of life Italians.

In America it does make him American.

The only true Americans are Native Americans, who are a small minority group, everyone else is an immigrant.

It's the same in Canada and Australia.

[SaltyLevels]

Ummm. Technically Miliband is British because he is a British citizen, born in Britain, the son of naturalised British citizens. Either your position in Germany is equivalent, or you first statement is incorrect, or I have made an error in my argument.

Er, no, Milliband is the son of a Belgian and Pole who came to live in the UK during WW2 and were granted naturalisation. I was born in Germany to English parents and held a German and English passport, of course, until I moved back here. I relinquished my German one in the 80's when I was required to perform national service to keep it. I am sure Milliband, would he want it, could have a Polish and Belgian passport.

In fact even whilst living here, he was still a polish national and Belgian citizen. It was only later he was granted naturalisation.

[speling bee]

Er, no, Milliband is the son of a Belgian and Pole who came to live in the UK during WW2 and were granted naturalisation. I was born in Germany to English parents and held a German and English passport, of course, until I moved back here. I relinquished my German one in the 80's when I was required to perform national service to keep it. I am sure Milliband, would he want it, could have a Polish and Belgian passport.

So technically, you were German, but you renounced your citizenship. Excellent.

[Ticktock]

My friends parents were immigrants from Italy who are English citizens, but that's a piece of paper, as they are in every facet of life Italians.

Why are they Italian? Is it because they were born there, or because their parents were Italian? How far back do you need to go?
In my family, on the paternal side we have people born in different countries at least every 2 or 3 generations going back to the 1800s, so where do we draw the line?

Nationality nowadays is bollocks really, as there are such high levels of migration. I go by my passport and place of birth, which is not UK.

My mum was born in England, and to an "English" mother.
Her mother was born in England, to an "Irish" mother.
Her mother was born in Ireland, to an Irish mother.
So is my mum English? Why? Because of where she was born, or because her mother was English?
Why is her mother English? She was born in England, but her mother was Irish, so what is she?

[hyperD]

As they say in Saff London.

Vote UKIN!

[SueEllen]

Er, no, Milliband is the son of a Belgian and Pole who came to live in the UK during WW2 and were granted naturalisation. I was born in Germany to English parents and held a German and English passport, of course, until I moved back here. I relinquished my German one in the 80's when I was required to perform national service to keep it. I am sure Milliband, would he want it, could have a Polish and Belgian passport.

In fact even whilst living here, he was still a polish national and Belgian citizen. It was only later he was granted naturalisation.

Do you really have that little understanding of history? Or are you just nasty for the sake of it?

You can't compare the situation of a person whose family was persecuted with your own.

[SaltyLevels]

So technically, you were German, but you renounced your citizenship. Excellent.

No, I gave back my passport, which I could get back at anytime. I was only ever technically German. I like obfuscation in an argument, but it is clearly transparent.

His parents came over here at the 11th hour after choosing, initially to move to Paris. He then spent 8 years here before being granted residency, not citizenship, in 48. He then became a naturalised Brit. His mother and father were never citizens.

Again, it's all a strawman; what this man said, clearly, was he doesn't have the genealogical make up of being british, whatever that means. In that, he is correct, that was my point, all you are doing is adding chaff, fill, for the argument stands, Milliband is not, this is a fact, genealogically british.

That's what he was saying. In that, he is correct.

[DodgyAgent]

I'm confused: Did UKIP really have an immigrant in their broadcast complaining about how immigrants are costing jobs?

It makes no difference if someone was themselves an immigrant. They are now British citizens and if they feel that they want the UK to choose who is invited in they are perfectly within their rights to say so. I saw a black guy being interviewed who was making exactly this point. He himself was an immigrant. The fact that he feels British and identifies with British values shows how well people like him have integrated into Britain. If people such as him feel that no more immigrants should be allowed in then good for him.

For those of you who think British nationalised immigrants should be segregated from the indigenous British and thus not entitled to support UKIP and be anti immigration are as guilty of racism as the worst extremes of BNP.