One more reason to leave the EU

[Mich the Tester]

Nice back tracking there GG.

Yeah yeah blame some old man now.

Beat me to it.

[TykeMerc]

Actually, it was a parody of Mr Gittins old man.

An Express reader to the core but get him on the subject of the NHS and he puffs out his chest and gets all dewy eyed.

And there are a lot of people just like him so you can imagine how any kind of radical reform is going to be an uphill struggle.

Jackanory.

Do us all a favour and make your lies believable or at least amusing.

[Mich the Tester]

Jackanory.

Do us all a favour and make your lies believable or at least amusing.

Or bring back Gricer.

[OwlHoot]

Quite. As someone who earns a crust in Health Economics, I can tell you the situation with the NHS is more dire than most people know.
And it's interesting that the same morons who spout about EU red tape, but couldn't give me any single example of how it affects me as a small business, are the first to say "Save our [socialist red-tape ridden inefficient] NHS", the institution which will lead to national bankruptcy if carried on as it is.
You can't overestimate people's stupidity.

True, but how much of the endless torrent of EU legislation relates to health & safety and thus the NHS?

A fair proportion, I'll be bound.

[Mich the Tester]

True, but how much of the endless torrent of EU legislation relates to health & safety and thus the NHS?

A fair proportion, I'll be bound.

Seeing as you're asking the question I can deduce that you don't know, so how can you call this an 'endless torrent'?

What if it's not much at all?

[sasguru]

True, but how much of the endless torrent of EU legislation relates to health & safety and thus the NHS?

.

What endless torrent?
In any case surely health and safety legislation is a good thing, since in the context of our discussion, it would lead to less use of the health service
From my limited use of the NHS it could do with some extra regulations with regard to cleanliness.
FFS, sometimes I wonder how you cretins manage to make a living with your poor logical skills.

[xoggoth]

What has the state of our hospitals to do with EU membership exactly?

[Mich the Tester]

What has the state of our hospitals to do with EU membership exactly?

Not much AFAIK.

[Ticktock]

Not much AFAIK.

I would say the combination of population density combined with population number may be a bigger factor:
Area and population of European countries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We have a large population (so likelihood of a larger number of "patients"), combined with high Population Density, squeezing these people into smaller areas producing high concentrations needing medical care.

Above England, and even above the UK as a whole, the only countries with higher Pop Density have pretty small populations in total, where the number of patients is likely to be smaller. They can make do with a smaller number of hospitals in total.
Those with higher populations but lower density will find each hospital needing to deal with a relatively smaller number of patients.

[Mich the Tester]

I would say the combination of population density combined with population number may be a bigger factor:
Area and population of European countries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We have a large population (so likelihood of a larger number of "patients"), combined with high Population Density, squeezing these people into smaller areas producing high concentrations needing medical care.

Above England, and even above the UK as a whole, the only countries with higher Pop Density have pretty small populations in total, where the number of patients is likely to be smaller. They can make do with a smaller number of hospitals in total.
Those with higher populations but lower density will find each hospital needing to deal with a relatively smaller number of patients.

Are you saying that governments haven't done a good job of planning the necessary healthcare in the places it's going to be needed?