More Farage wisdom

[sasguru]

His Libertarian spirit is coming back to the surface, of which I am very glad. A true libertarian should oppose the restriction of all drugs, including pharmaceutical ones.

It's lucky then, that morons like you are protected from your own stupidity by cleverer people.

What happened when pharma drugs were unregulated - ah the good old days

[KentPhilip]

Immigrants from EU work and pay taxes, far more taxes than what they consume. Why are you looking at each potato I eat for lunch as if it were a free lunch founded by you ? total

That's not true. Many immigrants come from the poorer south and east of the EU and take low paid work in the UK. UK government spending on them is greater than they pay in taxes.
While there are some immigrants who earn lots of money and pay more tax than they consume, they are in the minority.

[sasguru]

That's not true. Many immigrants come from the poorer south and east of the EU and take low paid work in the UK. UK government spending on them is greater than they pay in taxes.
While there are some immigrants who earn lots of money and pay more tax than they consume, they are in the minority.

Any evidence for any of this?
Your gut instinct could be skewed depending on where you live.
Where I live there seem to be many wealthy immigrants all driving large expensive German cars and living in huge detached houses

[mos]

That's not true. Many immigrants come from the poorer south and east of the EU and take low paid work in the UK. UK government spending on them is greater than they pay in taxes.
While there are some immigrants who earn lots of money and pay more tax than they consume, they are in the minority.

[alluvial]

True though isn't it? They have allowed all Bulgarians to come to Britain in common with the rest of Europe. Obviously they won't all come, but the right exists.

[KentPhilip]

Any evidence for any of this?
Your gut instinct could be skewed depending on where you live.
Where I live there seem to be many wealthy immigrants all driving large expensive German cars and living in huge detached houses

Well I've had a look online for hard evidence of this, but all the articles I can find refer to the effect that EU immigration has on British peoples' wages rather than the actual level of immigrant wages vs British. So I can't say.

But my assertion of this is based on the common sense notion that if you have poor countries, which are poor because of a lack of investment in education and skills there, and a lack of a culture of big business, that at least in the short term most of the people coming out of those countries will on average have low skills and will be looking to do low paid jobs.

Working class people in the UK complain that immigrants are "taking their jobs", but I don't hear so much complaint from more middle class workers, such as us contractors, about Polish or Bulgarian developers coming over here and taking our contracts. I think that is because there are fewer relative numbers of skilled Polish and Bulgarian techies, so it doesn't affect us.

This is not to say that eastern european people are not intrinsically able to do those kinds of skilled job. They are able to do them, but only after they have developed an investment and skills development culture similar to that in western europe, which has allowed the latter to be richer than them to date.

[xoggoth]

Came in here without logging on and setting ignore. Big mistake. Do you idiots ever check facts? Or "facts", eg the last pro-immigration study, most unlikely to be accurate considering some previous ones that even ignore cost of education migrants' children. Even assuming a net migrant contribution of 22bn is true, that's 3% of government expenditure, 1.2% of GDP in return for a 13% increase in population. An all party house of Lords study concluded there is no significant increase in GDP per capita for the existing population.

In return for this non-existent pittance we are seeing our rents pushed up, our countryside destroyed, our schools packed to bursting point with kids who can't speak English, our resources like water transport and roads strained to breaking point, diseases like HIV, TB etc imported from abroad, a huge cost for tackling cultural problems related to crime, health, translators etc. One small example, are you aware that the government, not UKIP, pays the British Angling society a grant to help tackle the problem of Eastern European poaching? Small beer in itself but just one of many costs of multicultural Britain that is never in pro immigrant studies

Oh yes, people near sasguru are etc. A few anecdotes is real proof of everything. Beats me why such an irrational idiot who makes so many sweeping conclusions from nothing keeps calling other people cretins. (eg the other day, London is rich, London has many migrants so, QED, migrants must be rich) F* idiot!

[sasguru]

Oh yes, people near sasguru are etc. A few anecdotes is real proof of everything. Beats me why such an irrational idiot who makes so many sweeping conclusions from nothing keeps calling other people cretins. (eg the other day, London is rich, London has many migrants so, QED, migrants must be rich) F* idiot!

The irrational idiot is you, ranting away like the cretin you are.
Read my post, I said you can be biased by your local conditions - if you are surrounded by poor immigrants you will think all immigrants are poor and the opposite also applies.
And please point me to the post where I concluded "London is rich, London has many migrants so, QED, migrants must be rich"
My conclusion about London was that I really doubted Migration Watch's figures about net contribution of immigrants, when applied to London, since the region with the most immigrants (London, with > 50% non indigenous inhabitants) is also the most productive.
You really are a true CUK Village Idiot, your problems compounded by incipient senility, no doubt.

Oh yes and I perused the Migration Watch document is some detail. It was actually based on another document which showed a net benefit for immigration. All MW then did was say its assumptions were wrong, make some opposite assumptions of their own and hey presto, you come up with a net deficit for migration.
They rely heavily on useful idiots like yourself.

[alluvial]

The irrational idiot is you, ranting away like the cretin you are.
Read my post, I said you can be biased by your local conditions - if you are surrounded by poor immigrants you will think all immigrants are poor and the opposite also applies.
And please point me to the post where I concluded "London is rich, London has many migrants so, QED, migrants must be rich"
My conclusion about London was that I really doubted Migration Watch's figures about net contribution of immigrants, when applied to London, since the region with the most immigrants (London, with > 50% non indigenous inhabitants) is also the most productive.
You really are a true CUK Village Idiot, your problems compounded by incipient senility, no doubt.

Oh yes and I perused the Migration Watch document is some detail. It was actually based on another document which showed a net benefit for immigration. All MW then did was say its assumptions were wrong, make some opposite assumptions of their own and hey presto, you come up with a net deficit for migration.
They rely heavily on useful idiots like yourself.

Yeah, I remember that post and I also remember wondering how someone who professes to be the Cretin Hunter General could post such a stupid conclusion.

[sasguru]

But my assertion of this is based on the common sense notion that if you have poor countries, which are poor because of a lack of investment in education and skills there, and a lack of a culture of big business, that at least in the short term most of the people coming out of those countries will on average have low skills and will be looking to do low paid jobs.

Working class people in the UK complain that immigrants are "taking their jobs", but I don't hear so much complaint from more middle class workers, such as us contractors, about Polish or Bulgarian developers coming over here and taking our contracts. I think that is because there are fewer relative numbers of skilled Polish and Bulgarian techies, so it doesn't affect us.

This is not to say that eastern european people are not intrinsically able to do those kinds of skilled job. They are able to do them, but only after they have developed an investment and skills development culture similar to that in western europe, which has allowed the latter to be richer than them to date.

Good post.
I think you may be right about Eastern European migrants to the Uk being more skewed to the lower skilled spectrum.
Ignoring previous immigration (those who are now 2nd and 3rd generation), the largest wave is mainly from Eastern Europe.
Those from India are usually on ICT or students who have stayed - and thus very likely to be degree-educated (even if those degrees are crap).
It is a fact that it is virtually impossible for an uneducated Indian with no links to the UK to enter whereas for your poorly educated Pole or Romanian you just have to catch a bus.