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[sasguru]

Truth hurts.

As a chartered statistician who uses SAS, among other tools, my day rate the last year or two has averaged about £1.2K a day. Yours?
You have too many unknown unknowns and that's what makes you a cretin.

[mos]

understood perfectly well and offered you an explanation. EU migration tripled, commonwealth migration down more than 50% over the same period = big change in the ratio of EU to non EU immigrants.

Really?

Year Ending EU8 Non EU Commonwealth
YE Dec 04 + 49 + 266 + 162
YE Jun 05 + 74 + 254 + 144
YE Dec 05 + 61 + 198 + 120
YE Jun 06 + 57 + 195 + 120
YE Dec 06 + 71 + 218 + 135
YE Jun 07 + 76 + 208 + 123
YE Dec 07 + 87 + 204 + 116
YE Jun 08 + 63 + 196 + 114
YE Dec 08 + 20 + 187 + 100
YE Jun 09 + 21 + 174 + 95
YE Dec 09 + 16 + 184 + 105
YE Mar 10 + 21 + 199 + 120
YE Jun 10 + 26 + 196 + 117
YE Sep 10 + 50 + 218 + 133
YE Dec 10 + 49 + 217 + 135
YE Mar 11 + 44 + 215 + 130
YE Jun 11 + 46 + 222 + 143
YE Sep 11 + 36 + 228 + 141
YE Dec 11 + 40 + 204 + 119
YE Mar 12 + 35 + 185 + 102
YE Jun 12 + 31 + 172 + 87
YE Sep 12 + 28 + 160 + 77
YE Dec 12 + 30 + 157 + 76
YE Mar 13 + 34 + 146 + 68
YE Jun 13 + 36 + 140 + 59
YE Sep 13 + 48 + 141 + 49

[mos]

As a chartered statistician who uses SAS, among other tools, my day rate the last year or two has averaged about £1.2K a day. Yours?
You have too many unknown unknowns and that's what makes you a cretin.

Great, very impressive. You were selling your services to RBS, I presume.

[sasguru]

Great, very impressive. You were selling your services to RBS, I presume.

No its the going rate for health economics specialists. Like many mediocre IT geeks you live in your own little bubble of stupidity.

[MarillionFan]

As a chartered statistician who uses SAS, among other tools, my day rate the last year or two has averaged about £1.2K a day. Yours?
You have too many unknown unknowns and that's what makes you a cretin.

Very good. If you've managed 250 days at that rate in the last 12 monts then you've just beat me.

[doodab]

Really?

Year Ending EU8 Non EU Commonwealth
YE Dec 04 + 49 + 266 + 162
YE Jun 05 + 74 + 254 + 144
YE Dec 05 + 61 + 198 + 120
YE Jun 06 + 57 + 195 + 120
YE Dec 06 + 71 + 218 + 135
YE Jun 07 + 76 + 208 + 123
YE Dec 07 + 87 + 204 + 116
YE Jun 08 + 63 + 196 + 114
YE Dec 08 + 20 + 187 + 100
YE Jun 09 + 21 + 174 + 95
YE Dec 09 + 16 + 184 + 105
YE Mar 10 + 21 + 199 + 120
YE Jun 10 + 26 + 196 + 117
YE Sep 10 + 50 + 218 + 133
YE Dec 10 + 49 + 217 + 135
YE Mar 11 + 44 + 215 + 130
YE Jun 11 + 46 + 222 + 143
YE Sep 11 + 36 + 228 + 141
YE Dec 11 + 40 + 204 + 119
YE Mar 12 + 35 + 185 + 102
YE Jun 12 + 31 + 172 + 87
YE Sep 12 + 28 + 160 + 77
YE Dec 12 + 30 + 157 + 76
YE Mar 13 + 34 + 146 + 68
YE Jun 13 + 36 + 140 + 59
YE Sep 13 + 48 + 141 + 49

Yes really. Total EU migration went from 66 thousand in December 2003 130 thousand in December 2004 to 180 thousand in June 2013. Roughly triple. Your quoting the figures for the 8 newly joined countries only, and ignoring the period before those countries joined. Exactly the sort of "spin" you keep accusing others of.

Total commonwealth migration rose from 167k to over 200k and then more recently fell to 110k over the same period. That includes a lot of places you might actually consider "rest of the world", if you look at migration from the "old" commonwealth (i.e. India, Canada, Australia, NZ etc) it fell from 62k to 24k over the same period, a drop of more than 50%.

[sasguru]

Very good. If you've managed 250 days at that rate in the last 12 monts then you've just beat me.

I did more than 250 client-days, yes, meaning I was charging that rate to more than one client at the same time - some of the time. Which leads to a bit more stress than I want.
I could do with hiring a couple of staff and making this a real business but can't be fooked with the hassle

[sasguru]

Yes really. Total EU migration went from 66 thousand in December 2003 130 thousand in December 2004 to 180 thousand in June 2013. Roughly triple. Your quoting the figures for the 8 newly joined countries only, and ignoring the period before those countries joined. Exactly the sort of "spin" you keep accusing others of.

Total commonwealth migration rose from 167k to over 200k and then more recently fell to 110k over the same period. That includes a lot of places you might actually consider "rest of the world", if you look at migration from the "old" commonwealth (i.e. India, Canada, Australia, NZ etc) it fell from 62k to 24k over the same period, a drop of more than 50%.

This debate is slightly sterile.
Looking at the stats: exam performance, success in earnings, movement from working to middle class - there seem to be two successful ethnic minorities in the UK: Chinese and Indians.
Pakistanis and Afro-Carribeans in general languish at the bottom. Eastern Europeans seem to be somewhere in the middle.
We should be getting more successful immigrants in, in particular, the Indians we are getting now are second-rate compared to the best ones who go to the US and are responsible for a full 33% of start-ups in Silicon valley.
Mediocre immigrants wherever they come from, India or Poland (e.g. Mos) are no use to anyone.

[MarillionFan]

I did more than 250 client-days, yes, meaning I was charging that rate to more than one client at the same time - some of the time. Which leads to a bit more stress than I want.
I could do with hiring a couple of staff and making this a real business but can't be fooked with the hassle

They're also expensive. For each stats expert we have in the business with a Masters we're paying £100k before bonus/shares. One is moving to my team to do predictive analysis using R off my data warehouse. The stuff produced to date has been impressive but I hold the most sales/activity data in the company and we're looking for someone to unlock it so we can target our investments.

[doodab]

We should be getting more successful immigrants in, in particular, the Indians we are getting now are second-rate compared to the best ones who go to the US and are responsible for a full 33% of start-ups in Silicon valley.

I'm not sure that's completely true. The US Indian guys I've worked with have all been quintessential bobs.