Love Britain: vote UKIP or BNP?

[mudskipper]

Perhaps I'm living in a bubble, but I'm blissfully unaware of any anti-Polish media coverage. I've seen plenty of anti-Romanian, but never noticed anti-Polish. Will more actively look out for it!

[doodab]

That was the case up until 2012 but it has changed.

Really? Client co has hired half a dozen Eastern European guys on UK contractor rates in the last 8 months or so.

I blame BBC sponsored anti Polish campaigns featuring stars like Farage, Nuttal, Dimbleby, Neil, Marr and Robinson. They anchor us as very poor, low skilled, willing to do the jobs nobody else wants for pennies. They take every opportunity to say something to that effect until everyone accepts it as self evident.

You blame? You have a persecution complex more like. Having a reputation for working hard is hardly a negative stereotype.

When you are talking about ~1% of the population then assuming the distribution of skills and incomes is similar in that group to the population as a whole it stands to reason that 98% of them aren't going to be in the top 2% of earners.

There clearly *are* lots of young eastern Europeans who are willing to do low skilled jobs, that's why you'll find them in every chain coffee shop, restaurant etc. We are seeing the same thing with young southern Europeans as well, and you'll see the same thing in Germany, Switzerland and other relatively high wage countries. This is what happens when you have free movement of labour between areas with wide disparity in wages.

It doesn't mean those who do have skills are excluded from the higher end of the jobs market, in fact I'd argue that it means the exact opposite as skilled people are proportionally more likely to migrate.

[mos]

According to the latest figures 532,000 people came to Britain last year, 244,000 from outside the EU and 209,000 from within it. That's not 20%, it's almost 50%.

You also have to look why people come here (half of all non-EU migrants are students, whereas only around 20% of EU migrants are) and if they go home. When you factor that in, we have a net inflow of 130,000 EU citizens a year.

The last few quarters saw the EU/non EU ratio rapidly approaching 1, however historically it stood at 1/5. I still do not fully understand the root cause of this very recent trend and I am trying to obtain reliable data.

Non EU immigrants are using venue which is available to them and the 'student' status not always should be taken at face value BBC Panorama Immigration Undercover The Student Visa Scandal In UK - YouTube. Equally, 'highly skilled' visa may not always be awarded to those who are actually skilled.

[sasguru]

It has nothing to do with reality. It only benefits immigrants from Subcontinent who continue to occupy best jobs while we are pushed into broom closet.

I suspect you're not in the running for the "best jobs" because you're not bright enough, as your posts show.

HTH, BIDI.

[mos]

I suspect you're not in the running for the "best jobs" because you're not bright enough, as your posts show.

HTH, BIDI.

SAS is a tool invented for people who are not very bright.

[sasguru]

SAS is a tool invented for people who are not very bright.

I rest my case.

[doodab]

The last few quarters saw the EU/non EU ratio rapidly approaching 1, however historically it stood at 1/5. I still do not fully understand the root cause of this very recent trend and I am trying to obtain reliable data.

Try the ONS

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/publicatio...cm%3A77-320515

Total EU migration roughly doubled between 2003 and 2004 and tripled between 2003 and 2007. EU15 migration increased slightly over the same period. I wonder what happened in 2004?

EUROPA - The History of the European Union

Non-EU, and specifically commonwealth, migration has fallen because the current government have a policy of reducing migration. EU migration numbers haven't fallen because there is nothing they can do about them currently.

[mos]

I suspect you're not in the running for the "best jobs" because you're not bright enough, as your posts show.
HTH, BIDI.

SAS is a tool invented for people who are not very bright.

I rest my case.

Truth hurts.

[mos]

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You must have misunderstood me. I do not dispute the fact that Poland joined EU in 2004 and that there is Polish minority in the UK.

[doodab]

You must have misunderstood me. I do not dispute the fact that there is Polish minority in the UK.

No, I read this,

I still do not fully understand the root cause of this very recent trend and I am trying to obtain reliable data.

understood perfectly well and offered you an explanation. EU migration tripled, commonwealth migration down more than 50% over the same period = big change in the ratio of EU to non EU immigrants.