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    When is enough?

    BBC News - Germany arrests three suspected Auschwitz guards

    Three men aged 88, 92 and 94 have been detained by German authorities on suspicion of being guards at the Nazi death camp at Auschwitz.

    Is this still a worthwhile use of resources? Are these men too old to be investigated? Bearing in mind they almost certainly had no choice in what they were doing?

    #2
    I think they should go to jail as a warning to others considering similar actions, like the death camps in North Korea hopefully for them their time will come as well
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      #3
      Originally posted by BrilloPad View Post
      BBC News - Germany arrests three suspected Auschwitz guards

      Three men aged 88, 92 and 94 have been detained by German authorities on suspicion of being guards at the Nazi death camp at Auschwitz.

      Is this still a worthwhile use of resources? Are these men too old to be investigated? Bearing in mind they almost certainly had no choice in what they were doing?
      It's never enough. Although most of the perpetrators probably won't be caught up with and won't go to jail before they're dead, their punishment is that they can never sleep quietly at night for fear of that knock on the door; maybe they'll feel just one tiny little bit of the fear that their victims went through. Of course, being arrested by the German police of 2014 and then being presented to a modern German judge can not possibly be as frightening as being pulled out of bed in 1939 in Germany. It's an important principle; if you cooperate in genocide, you won't be allowed to get away with it and 'I was following orders' is NOT an excuse.

      However, sometimes I wish they'd take a tougher approach to those who were part of the Stasi too.
      And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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        #4
        Many people in the former East Germany committed what would be considered crimes against humanity, yet that had no or almost no punishment.

        Germany needs some consistency, or are they only interested in punishing crimes their important international partners are interested in?

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          #5
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          " This meant that courts did not have to prove active participation in killing to find a suspect guilty of murder"

          That is that part that would concern me.

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            #6
            Originally posted by BrilloPad View Post
            Bearing in mind they almost certainly had no choice in what they were doing?
            We all have choices

            77000 German citizens were killed for resisting Nazism - what you mean is it is usually safer with an eye to self preservation to follow the herd
            As Burke said..

            All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
            How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think

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              #7
              Originally posted by reddog View Post
              Many people in the former East Germany committed what would be considered crimes against humanity, yet that had no or almost no punishment.

              Germany needs some consistency, or are they only interested in punishing crimes their important international partners are interested in?
              I agree.
              And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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                #8
                I have been to Auschwitz and it is a very moving place but must admit I am on the fence about the news story but I can't see how the result below helps anything. 5 years will mean about 2 or even less if he is in ill health and more than likely to die before it comes to a close. I can't help think it's not really proving or achieving anything.

                He had been sentenced to five years in jail for being an accessory to the murder of 28,060 people but died in a home for the elderly while the case was pending appeal.
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                  #9
                  There have to be rules and the rules need to be followed. If you are guilty of a crime and have not been caught then you are not in the clear no matter how long it has been.

                  I was only following orders has been ruled as not an acceptable defence so that is not relevant to the case. Legally they are considered to have had a choice and chose to do these horrific things to other humans.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by MyUserName View Post
                    There have to be rules and the rules need to be followed. If you are guilty of a crime and have not been caught then you are not in the clear no matter how long it has been.

                    I was only following orders has been ruled as not an acceptable defence so that is not relevant to the case. Legally they are considered to have had a choice and chose to do these horrific things to other humans.
                    I am not denying this but what a horrible situation. You are in the army so conditioned to follow orders whatever with the threat of being shot for not doing as you are told. Facing a choice between being shot or hunted down and jailed for the rest of your life can't be a nice place to be. Doesn't exonerate or excuse anything don't get me wrong, just commenting on the choices available.
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