Ukraine Unrest

[doodab]

And I'd prefer the Govt toppled and those of them that survive to be put in prison for shooting civilians.

Govts should be afraid of people, not the other way around.

Ideally the government shouldn't be shooting people but the protesters aren't exactly a bunch of placard waving hippies either. In most countries we put people in prison for killing policemen. Either way it seems the situation will get worse before it gets better.

I'm more intrigued by this story that one of the western provinces has declared itself free of government rule. One wonders if any of the others will follow suit.

[SpontaneousOrder]

Wasn't this exposed as CIA just like Syria and Libya? After the "F the EU" thing?

[original PM]

wonder who is bankrolling this one...

[doodab]

Who is going to stop them? Anyone fancy a war with Russia?

Not especially but I can't see them invading without there being serious consequences either. They did it in Georgia but in western Ukraine you'd be talking about military action within miles of NATO and EU borders. That would be bound to raise some heckles.

[doodab]

Wasn't this exposed as CIA just like Syria and Libya? After the "F the EU" thing?

Not that I am aware of. Any evidence or is it just a presumption that where the US has an opinion the CIA are in action?

[suityou01]

Not especially but I can't see them invading without there being serious consequences either. They did it in Georgia but in western Ukraine you'd be talking about military action within miles of NATO and EU borders. That would be bound to raise some heckles.

On the plus side we've had a mild winter so if they cut the gas off we can make do with burning a few chavs to keep warm.

[alreadypacked]

My very limited knowledge of this is that one side wants closer ties with the EU, the other lot (including those in power) closer ties with Russia.

Surely EU sanctions are going to be somewhat divisive here and fan the flames further? Not to mention gitting up Russia's nose.

Problem is, half of the country is Russian, and they are also the majority in government.

If it goes to civil war, it will be very bloody.

[doodab]

Perhaps, but this is not a fault of Ukrainian people. Why those war mongers will not go and split China or India instead?

Well it clearly is partly the fault of the Ukrainian people as they are the ones throwing petrol bombs, although it's probably more the fault of their government who may or may not be entirely legitimate but certainly don't appear to have popular support for what they are trying to do. Ultimately I think Russian foreign policy is to blame, they are the ones who stuck their oar in and provided large scale inducements for the government to ignore the will of the people in return for cheap gas and some loans.

Problem is, half of the country is Russian, and they are also the majority in government.

Exactly. It's a divided country, it's quite possible if the pro-EU mob had won the election the other side would be violently protesting instead.

[mos]

Problem is, half of the country is Russian, and they are also the majority in government.

If it goes to civil war, it will be very bloody.

It does not have to go to any war, if only media and such stopped mongering.

[AtW]

Ideally the government shouldn't be shooting people but the protesters aren't exactly a bunch of placard waving hippies either. In most countries we put people in prison for killing policemen.

Self defense - people were peaceful at first, but it's hard to remain peaceful when you get shot at from firearms.