Ukraine Unrest

[AtW]

I agree that the police have been heavy handed

Heavy handed would have been to beat up protestors and throw them in jails for a few years, that's already been done for a while and now it's a bit more than "heavy handed" - thankfully people there got balls of steel and this time I hope they'll bring people in the Govt to justice, which might not be the European kind but the one they deserve for sure.

[AtW]

Go and chuck a rock at a copper and see if you get your head kicked in.

There are tens of thousands of UNARMED people there (including women) - are you saying they all kicked cops to require deployment of assault and sniper rifles? Over 100 people dead now, and it's not Baghdad.

[SpontaneousOrder]

See the difference? AK assault rifle can shoot through a brick easily - nevermind shields that demonstrants have.

Kindof. Put enough rounds into the same place and the wall will crumble. Before then there's not much chance of killing anyone stood more than a foot behind it.

[doodab]

Thanks God I am not there! But if someone started shooting to my people, I would strangled them with my bare hands.

And both sides acting like that is how the violence escalates. No third parties required.

[mos]

And both sides acting like that is how the violence escalates. No third parties required.

Have you considered working for Tony Blair?

[SpontaneousOrder]

If the Ukrainian people really don't want to be governed the way they are then all they have to do is go home and stop paying their taxes. It'll all be over within a month.

[doodab]

There are tens of thousands of UNARMED people there (including women) - are you saying they all kicked cops to require deployment of assault and sniper rifles? Over 100 people dead now, and it's not Baghdad.

No, I'm saying that the police are arming themselves because they have lost control of the situation and fear for their safety, and on that basis I can understand why they are doing it. It might not be right or desirable but it's hardly a surprise given that among the tens of thousand of unarmed people there are clearly a hefty minority who are happy to fight with whatever they have including firearms.

What would be better is if the police took a moral stand and simply refused to oppress the people but for some reason that seems to be unlikely to happen.

[mos]

If the Ukrainian people really don't want to be governed the way they are then all they have to do is go home and stop paying their taxes. It'll all be over within a month.

And now we go back to the question: who payrolls this?

[oscarose]

wishing peace to all parties

[AtW]

No, I'm saying that the police are arming themselves because they have lost control of the situation and fear for their safety

And for that reason they need long range sniper rifles?

It sure kind of safer kill unarmed people from a distance.