Ed Miliband: 'Britain is sleepwalking to a climate crisis'

[MicrosoftBob]

The CAGW alarmists dont have a case because every prediction they have made has failed. They did not predict the pause in temperatures and they did not predict the snow in the US or the floods in the UK.
In the USA they warned people off investing in ski slopes and in the UK they predicted drier winters.

Mother nature is their worst critic.

so what to do about the floods ?

1. the pj approach. build some wind turbines. this will change the weather back to how it was in 1950 with less floods.

2. the EO approach. dredge the rivers, reinstall the pumps, get the decision making back into local hands. Recover the power to dump the silt onto farmland back from Brussels


vote EO . you know it makes sense

You left off 3. the politicians approach. increase green taxes and spend money on companies Tim Yeo has an interest in, this will stop climate change

[EternalOptimist]

I'm inclined to agree. Whatever the causes and the arguments, we clearly need to mitigate the effects, and at least people will agree on that.

mitigation has some other attractive merits.

it is all god stuff, even if the CAGW crowd are dead wrong (as I believe they are).
If I am wrong and the alarmists are right, we will never stop China India or Brazil anyway, so we will have to mitigate at some point
It may as well be now

[doodab]

Though the lentil eating ones do taste a bit dodgy.

Should reduce methane emissions though...

[EternalOptimist]

Nah.

Vote ZeitGhost & eat your Greens. You know it makes sense.

Though the lentil eating ones do taste a bit dodgy.

The greens are a nasty bunch and they showed their Totalitarian streak this week, calling for all ministers and senior advisors who do not subscribe to the CAGW hypothesis to be sacked.

They also picketed an energy executives home at night , wearing masks and brandishing fire brands. (all they needed was a grand wizard to make it look like a KKK meeting)

[DodgyAgent]

It is not a new study, it's two years old and was published in an open-access journal with an impact factor of 0.00 and sank without trace. There's a reason for that.

It would impoverish a lot of scientists

[Mich the Tester]

Regardless of AGW, I think Britain is sleepwalking to a Miliband crisis.

[pjclarke]

the EO approach. dredge the rivers, reinstall the pumps, get the decision making back into local hands. Recover the power to dump the silt onto farmland back from Brussels

Dredging is rarely an effective anti-flooding measure, it is massively expensive, has to be repeated after each flood, and may just move the water more effectively downstream to the next town. A river only holds a tiny fraction of the water flowing through a catchment, so even if you double the flow rate by dredging it will not make much of an impact.

The river channel is not large enough to contain extreme floods, even after dredging. Dredging of river channels does NOT prevent flooding during extreme river flows … The concept of dredging to prevent extreme flooding is equivalent to trying to squeeze the volume of water held by a floodplain within the volume of water held in the river channel. Since the floodplain volume is usually many times larger than the channel volume, the concept becomes a major engineering project and a major environmental change

http://www.bidfordonavon-pc.gov.uk/p...edgingpres.pdf

In the specific case of the Somerset levels, the problem there is the land is so low-lying, the gradient to the sea is negligible, so you only get a decent flow at low tide. In fact deepening or widening channels might actually make things worse at high tide....

The closed-down pump is a red herring, there was no flood warnings in that region. But I'm with you on more local democracy.

[BlasterBates]

It is not a new study, it's two years old and was published in an open-access journal with an impact factor of 0.00 and sank without trace. There's a reason for that.

Slightly better than a blog post by a weatherman I guess.

A testable prediction by a nutter – Stoat

Who's William Connelly?

Is he also a cartoonist?

Has he published in the field of Astrophysics, or is he just a "guy with a blog".

A weather man who has published in a prestigious journal on global weather stations perhaps has somewhat more credence, than "a bloke", don't you think?

[BrilloPad]

I'm inclined to agree. Whatever the causes and the arguments, we clearly need to mitigate the effects, and at least people will agree on that.

I disagree. Mitigating the effects costs money. Most of those affected live in the middle of nowhere.

[pjclarke]

William Michael Connolley (born 12 April 1964) is a British software engineer, writer, and blogger on climatology. Until December 2007 he was Senior Scientific Officer in the Physical Sciences Division in the Antarctic Climate and the Earth System project at the British Antarctic Survey, where he worked as a climate modeller.

Here are some of his publications:-

William Connolley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Not that it matters. The 'study' predicts rapid global cooling starting now.... we'll soon know who is the nutter ....