Ed Miliband: 'Britain is sleepwalking to a climate crisis'

[doodab]

Oh but they have. Our shield against the sun has weakened considerably since the beginning of AGW data, say around 1950. This is our interface with the sun, yet no one in the AGW crowd is prepared to plot this against temps against CO2 because it is the real cause, and as we agreed earlier, Co2 lags rising temps closely.

Sod ad Homs, there's enough data freely available online to rip the arse out of any AGW argument.

Just the facts ma'am.

I'm pretty sure the magentic field doesn't affect photons. Are you saying that charged particles cause global warming? Why dont you write a paper and save the world?

[shaunbhoy]

Farage is ok.

Separated at birth!!

[suityou01]

I'm pretty sure the magentic field doesn't affect photons. Are you saying that charged particles cause global warming? Why dont you write a paper and save the world?

I'm saying the earths magnetic field and sunspot activity are important things to have on any graph that tries to make a point about CO2.

During the Maunder Minimum we had an ice age. Our sun is awfully quiet at the minute, and the earths magnetic shield has decreased in strength since the 19th century and we could well be heading into a mini ice age.

If you don't get the correlation between the earths magnetic shield, and how it protects us from the solar wind and the suns influences then feel free to google it. Plenty of aticles are already written about it.

[SpontaneousOrder]

I'm pretty sure the magentic field doesn't affect photons. Are you saying that charged particles cause global warming? Why dont you write a paper and save the world?

The solar winds affect cloud formation. Nothing to do with photons.

[suityou01]

The solar winds affect cloud formation. Nothing to do with photons.

And the weakening mag field affects absorption of the suns energy on the night side of our rock.

[pjclarke]

Sod ad Homs, there's enough data freely available online to prove that blueberries cure cancer.

FTFY

Oh but they have. Our shield against the sun has weakened considerably since the beginning of AGW data, say around 1950. This is our interface with the sun, yet no one in the AGW crowd is prepared to plot this against temps against CO2 because it is the real cause, and as we agreed earlier, Co2 lags rising temps closely.

If that were the case then there would a trend in the galactic cosmic ray flux, which has indeed been measured since the 1950s, at the Climax station, once you removed the 11 year solar cycle. There is no such trend.

[DodgyAgent]

?? 'The argument is not credible because its on a site run by a cartoonist'.

Apart from being factually incorrect, seems to me to be a pretty good example of attacking the attributes of the debater, rather than engaging with the argument. Of course JC is not actually a working cartoonist, he's a trained physicist and an award-winning science communicator for a respected University. And he didn't author the post, it was written by another academic. Apart from that ....

Rob Liddle in the times referred to the climate change lobby as "Chicken lickin" type characters for their unswerving religious style belief in climate change. Those of us ("deniers") who do not believe in climate change (caused by human excess of course - even though it has always changed on its own) are condemned to damnation in hell.
These people are like the religious Billy Graham types. Instead of god they have AGW as the reason for giving them money.

PJ Clarke is a stooge of this guy Maurice Strong - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[suityou01]

FTFY



If that were the case then there would a trend in the galactic cosmic ray flux, which has indeed been measured since the 1950s, at the Climax station, once you removed the 11 year solar cycle. There is no such trend.

Ad hom hypocrisy. Get some data then we'll talk.

Brainwashed idiot.

[pjclarke]

The longest continuous measurements of GCR flux are from the Climax station in Colorado.



No trend. The flux is not changing over time, while temperatures are increasing=no explanation.

Data from here NOAA/NESDIS/NGDC -STP,Boulder- Cosmic Rays

Many reliable discussions of this, start here: RealClimate: Taking Cosmic Rays for a spin

[doodab]

Ad hom hypocrisy. Get some data then we'll talk.

Brainwashed idiot.

Bit hypocritical when you tell me to google for data to support what you're saying.