The smacking debate

[SpontaneousOrder]

And if you think that you are equipping your kids well by ignoring the scum and the chavs and the riff raff, and prepare them only for the rarified circles that you believe you exist in, then God help them,
because you certainly have not

No one mentioned anything about ignoring the scum. There is a difference though between educating your children about the scum, and training them to be scum.

[suityou01]

Yes, I agree that it is a very real prospect. But presumably the more you put respect and violence hand in hand, the more likely it is your kid will end up in those exact social circles where he's about to get in an unnecessary fight because he 'disrespected' someone or something, as opposed to the more civilised circles where tossers just end up lonely.

Life's not perfect, but you can try to make it the best you can.

Please answer the question.

[EternalOptimist]

No one mentioned anything about ignoring the scum. There is a difference though between educating your children about the scum, and training them to be scum.

How you train your kids is entirely up to you. Thats my point

[suityou01]

No one mentioned anything about ignoring the scum. There is a difference though between educating your children about the scum, and training them to be scum.

It's dog eat dog. A sense of realism please.

[xoggoth]

Only recall slapping one of mine once when he bit me, entirely instinctive as it really hurt. Really it isn't necessary, a darn good shouting at works perfectly well.

[OwlHoot]

... the use of the word "retard" to indicate a stupid person is incredibly offensive to those who have, for example, children with learning difficulties and you should hang your head in shame for upsetting your parents like that. ...

Chortle!

I always think people who want to ban smacking and caning of kids are simply showing their own conceit, boasting almost in a roundabout and sanctimonious way, because in effect they are assuming or trying to imply that the younger generation, or their own kids, are weaker than themselves and could never benefit as they doubtless did from being smacked or caned.

[mudskipper]

I very much doubt that ZeroLiability is suggesting that it is the business of the state.

Bringing the state into this is a straw man.

The OP posted a link to this article

BBC News - Ban smacking, children's tsar urges

"Ban smacking, children's tsar urges"

I thought this was what was being discussed, no?

[original PM]

well interesting that Child Tsar - has two stepchildren - so never actually had her own kid then?

well straight away you can dismss the story as bull $h!t because she has no real world experience.

but it is down to you as a parent - and you know what if you take out extreme cases of child abuse and battering there is often very little difference in the outcome of a child who had a lot more physical disipline to those that do not (and by this I mean smacking is a common type of punishment as opposed to time out/confiscation of toy etc)

[MarillionFan]

I'd love to have an unlimited amount of time to deal with each transgression or pushing the boundary with a long winded discussion about reasoning or consequences or working together to ensure the family unit as a whole is well represented or a child who wont sit on the aughty step and keeps coming back into the room blah blah blah, but frankly sometimes a good smack on the legs ends the constant negotiations. At the end of the day force / smacking is required. Ask Tony Blair.

[BrilloPad]

The OP posted a link to this article

BBC News - Ban smacking, children's tsar urges

"Ban smacking, children's tsar urges"

I thought this was what was being discussed, no?

Since when has a debate on cuk EVER stuck to the point? I was surprised it got to post 3 without someone being called a nazi.

And following on from the cuk norm of being a twunt, I wish to suggest that everyone can bring up their kids as they choose APART from EO. Just to annoy him. <snigger>