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Originally posted by xoggoth View PostDepends how sh*tty. I agree they need to do a decent day's work for their pay but I would query whether they should have to compete with those from very poor countries who have had to graft very hard simply to survive. If a nation achieves a good level of prosperity, some of that prosperity should be shared with those at the bottom of society and that means they should not have to work all hours for low pay.
The thing in common about lots of these jobs is the hours either early starts or late finishes."You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JRComment
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Originally posted by SueEllen View PostNo need to go there. You need to explain to minestrone in simple terms some of the reasons for the existence of the EU and why it's lead to reciprocal treaties and agreements that look strange in isolation.Comment
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Originally posted by SueEllen View PostBy crap jobs I mean cleaning, care work, working in a fast food restaurant, working in a coffee shop, working in hotels, doing a newspaper round and posting leaflets.
The thing in common about lots of these jobs is the hours either early starts or late finishes.
slow immigration to only high value immigrants, force up the bottom wage and make benefits less comfortable, you will be surprised how many people want to work.Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.Comment
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Originally posted by vetran View PostInteresting isn't it, everyone is willing to denigrate the unemployed as lazy for not working for minimum wage not because they will take home less than via benefits. Of course its because the immigrants have a better work ethic that they get the jobs not because they can earn 3 - 4 times what they can earn at home almost tax free.
slow immigration to only high value immigrants, force up the bottom wage and make benefits less comfortable, you will be surprised how many people want to work.Comment
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Originally posted by vetran View PostInteresting isn't it, everyone is willing to denigrate the unemployed as lazy for not working for minimum wage not because they will take home less than via benefits.
A lot of young people live with their parents - this means they are not responsible or not totally responsible for paying their housing costs. Some of these people aren't on benefits - students haven't been able to claim benefits since the 90s.
Plus the only people paper rounds will provide enough extra income for are teens in school.
Are you telling me that you have never heard a parent complaining about their child's lack of work ethic, a tradesperson complain about his/her apprentice, or someone else who has to supervise a young person in the workplace complain about their work ethic?
You hear more complaints than praise, but when you hear praise about a British young person in the workplace they get a lot.
Originally posted by vetran View PostOf course its because the immigrants have a better work ethic that they get the jobs not because they can earn 3 - 4 times what they can earn at home almost tax free.
Originally posted by vetran View Postslow immigration to only high value immigrants, force up the bottom wage and make benefits less comfortable, you will be surprised how many people want to work.
The government claims to have done this for non-EU citizens but then there is the issue of intra-company transfers..."You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JRComment
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Originally posted by vetran View PostOf course its because the immigrants have a better work ethic that they get the jobs not because they can earn 3 - 4 times what they can earn at home almost tax free.Will work inside IR35. Or for food.Comment
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Originally posted by VectraMan View PostWhat's how much they can earn at home have to do with whether they get a job here?
Brits went abroad and effectively camped to earn enough to buy a house outright when they got back.
If your money has 3 times the buying power back home you are quite happy to put up with a bit of deprivation.Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.Comment
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