Benefits for immigrants from the EU

[Zero Liability]

Here is more appropriate example - rare earth elements were too expensive to mine in USA, so Chinese took all the market and now they decide what quotas to introduce for foreign countries. There is nothing wrong with an import tariff on imported products that come from countries that don't give a tulip about ecology there, workers' lifes etc - short term benefit of lower prices in a long term will result in people not having jobs in the first place to afford even those "cheap" imported products.

Is there any evidence they even work to that effect, as opposed to simply making the "vulnerable" workers they're meant to protect even worse off? I have no issue with the introduction of work permits, however.

[SueEllen]

Depends how sh*tty. I agree they need to do a decent day's work for their pay but I would query whether they should have to compete with those from very poor countries who have had to graft very hard simply to survive. If a nation achieves a good level of prosperity, some of that prosperity should be shared with those at the bottom of society and that means they should not have to work all hours for low pay.

By crap jobs I mean cleaning, care work, working in a fast food restaurant, working in a coffee shop, working in hotels, doing a newspaper round and posting leaflets.

The thing in common about lots of these jobs is the hours either early starts or late finishes.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

No need to go there. You need to explain to minestrone in simple terms some of the reasons for the existence of the EU and why it's lead to reciprocal treaties and agreements that look strange in isolation.

Led

[vetran]

By crap jobs I mean cleaning, care work, working in a fast food restaurant, working in a coffee shop, working in hotels, doing a newspaper round and posting leaflets.

The thing in common about lots of these jobs is the hours either early starts or late finishes.

Interesting isn't it, everyone is willing to denigrate the unemployed as lazy for not working for minimum wage not because they will take home less than via benefits. Of course its because the immigrants have a better work ethic that they get the jobs not because they can earn 3 - 4 times what they can earn at home almost tax free.

slow immigration to only high value immigrants, force up the bottom wage and make benefits less comfortable, you will be surprised how many people want to work.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Interesting isn't it, everyone is willing to denigrate the unemployed as lazy for not working for minimum wage not because they will take home less than via benefits. Of course its because the immigrants have a better work ethic that they get the jobs not because they can earn 3 - 4 times what they can earn at home almost tax free.

slow immigration to only high value immigrants, force up the bottom wage and make benefits less comfortable, you will be surprised how many people want to work.

Quite apart from the fact that some immigrants are seemingly prepared to live in sheds and illegal dosshouses - it's pretty hard to compete with that if you want to live a normal family life.

[SueEllen]

Interesting isn't it, everyone is willing to denigrate the unemployed as lazy for not working for minimum wage not because they will take home less than via benefits.

My post you highlighted was talking about young people.

A lot of young people live with their parents - this means they are not responsible or not totally responsible for paying their housing costs. Some of these people aren't on benefits - students haven't been able to claim benefits since the 90s.

Plus the only people paper rounds will provide enough extra income for are teens in school.

Are you telling me that you have never heard a parent complaining about their child's lack of work ethic, a tradesperson complain about his/her apprentice, or someone else who has to supervise a young person in the workplace complain about their work ethic?

You hear more complaints than praise, but when you hear praise about a British young person in the workplace they get a lot.

Of course its because the immigrants have a better work ethic that they get the jobs not because they can earn 3 - 4 times what they can earn at home almost tax free.

Immigrants have a better work ethic because the people who emigrate tend to be the go getters. (It's like if you or I go and work abroad. )

slow immigration to only high value immigrants, force up the bottom wage and make benefits less comfortable, you will be surprised how many people want to work.

You can't slow immigration from the EU. Anyway there is another scandal of businesses limiting hours to part-time work to avoid paying employers NI and then not allowing their employees to take on another part-time job.

The government claims to have done this for non-EU citizens but then there is the issue of intra-company transfers...

[VectraMan]

Of course its because the immigrants have a better work ethic that they get the jobs not because they can earn 3 - 4 times what they can earn at home almost tax free.

What's how much they can earn at home have to do with whether they get a job here?

[vetran]

What's how much they can earn at home have to do with whether they get a job here?

same as Germany,Saudi & Dubai in 70s, 80s & 90's

Brits went abroad and effectively camped to earn enough to buy a house outright when they got back.

If your money has 3 times the buying power back home you are quite happy to put up with a bit of deprivation.