USA’s top Climate Change Expert Lied

[Old Greg]

That's a good question. How can two intelligent people, given the same evidence come to opposite conclusions.
How come my brother, who is smarter than I , believes in God, when I dont.
It cant be because he is smarter, because I have a younger brother who aint so smart, who also believes in God.
So it's nothing to do with brains.

maybe I should follow the concensus

This is different from God, which is a faith position. #The evidence won't lead you anywhere.

I don't follow the global warming debate that closely. But I reckon that the scientific consensus / large majority (if you prefer) is a better bet than the dissenters. The dissenters should certianly have their voice and pursue their research but they are given too much weight in the name of balance, much like the anti-MMR GP.

Of course, a scientific consensus may be wrong, and the models are complex, so I happily concede that this consensus may be wrong. But it seems foolish to assume that it is wrong, and a much safer (and more likely to be correct) view to assume it is right. If the consensus changes, I will change my mind. What would make you change your mind?

Now, the other possibility is that there is a monstrous conspiracy or conspiracy of silence to dupe the world, but to me that seems like a paranoid nutjob conspiracy theory.

The next bit is policies adopted following acceptance of scientific consensus. I believe this is nearly all wrong and doomed, but I don't then decide that because I don't agree with policy, then the science is wrong. That's crazy.

[Old Greg]

would you sell indulgences ?


thats what carbon credits are

I agree carbon credits are nonsense (although not indulgences) but that does not invalidate the science.

[EternalOptimist]

In a nutshell old greg. when you are not 100% au fait with the detail, you follow the herd. whilst accepting that they may be wrong

[Old Greg]

Yes - people make money out of selling cars for example - I can see a car, feel it , touch it, own it and drive it so it is real.

People used to sell guilible people things like the statue of liberty, london bridge etc - these people were called Fraudsters as they sold things which did not exist for them to sell.

You see the difference?

Selling climate change is like selling religion - you are not selling anything tangible simply something people are scared into buying through manipulation, lies and subterfuge.

1. Let us take as an axiom that the consensus (as I would put it) is correct. You would agree that it is logically possible.

2. Let us then say that people exploit it by profiting from nonsense carbon credits.

3. Does that mean that the consensus is no longer correct?

[Old Greg]

In a nutshell old greg. when you are not 100% au fait with the detail, you follow the herd. whilst accepting that they may be wrong

I follow the consensus - I have no idea what the views of the herd are. I take a similar approach to evolution.

[EternalOptimist]

When I was told there was a concensus, I took a good look at who was telling me. Al Gore.
he also said the science was settled

thats when I knew I was being lied to

[Old Greg]

When I was told there was a concensus, I took a good look at who was telling me. Al Gore.
he also said the science was settled

thats when I knew I was being lied to

So if a pro-evolution advocate tell lies about evolution, does that make evolution a lie?

Gore is a polemicist.

What did you think when Bellamy was spouting his lies - or inaccuracies if you prefer? Did that tell you you were being lied to and that the anti-AGW position was a lie?

[EternalOptimist]

So if a pro-evolution advocate tell lies about evolution, does that make evolution a lie?

Gore is a polemicist.

What did you think when Bellamy was spouting his lies - or inaccuracies if you prefer? Did that tell you you were being lied to and that the anti-AGW position was a lie?

Gore makes money out of his lies.
his money relies on his lies

without the lie, there would be no rich Al Gore.

He is selling me something, and I am not buying

[Old Greg]

Gore makes money out of his lies.
his money relies on his lies

without the lie, there would be no rich Al Gore.

He is selling me something, and I am not buying

What does what Gore says have to do with the science?

Are you saying that the science is not true because Gore tells lies?

Or are you saying that because Gore tells lies you will not believe in it whether or not it is true?

[EternalOptimist]

What does what Gore says have to do with the science?

Are you saying that the science is not true because Gore tells lies?

Or are you saying that because Gore tells lies you will not believe in it whether or not it is true?

I am saying the person who told me there is a concensus is a liar.

who told you there was a concensus ?