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    #51
    Originally posted by Flashman View Post
    A complete fantasy.

    The EU is moving in the opposite direction. The survival of the Euro will mean far greater financial integration across the Eurozone. It has too.
    Eurozone < EU

    Britain is in the EU, not in the Eurozone.
    And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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      #52
      Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Post
      Eurozone < EU

      Britain is in the EU, not in the Eurozone.
      Can we swap that around - become members of the Eurozone, and leave the EU?

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        #53
        Originally posted by KentPhilip View Post
        Can we swap that around - become members of the Eurozone, and leave the EU?
        Why would anyone want to do that?
        And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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          #54
          Originally posted by Flashman View Post
          A complete fantasy.

          The EU Government is our Government. We are all EU citizens now..........
          Are you saying we dhould we bow down to the EUSSR, and submit to our socialist overlords ?
          Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the abject worship of the state.

          No Socialist Government conducting the entire life and industry of the country could afford to allow free, sharp, or violently-worded expressions of public discontent.

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            #55
            Originally posted by MicrosoftBob View Post
            Are you saying we dhould we bow down to the EUSSR, and submit to our socialist overlords ?
            Has the EU suddenly transferred the means of production from the capitalist class to the proletariat? I missed that one.

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              #56
              Originally posted by Old Greg View Post
              Has the EU suddenly transferred the means of production from the capitalist class to the proletariat? I missed that one.
              Lol since when has socialism ever done that in practice, I missed that one
              Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the abject worship of the state.

              No Socialist Government conducting the entire life and industry of the country could afford to allow free, sharp, or violently-worded expressions of public discontent.

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                #57
                Originally posted by MicrosoftBob View Post
                Lol since when has socialism ever done that in practice, I missed that one
                So the EU is socialist in a different way? Can you define?

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Old Greg View Post
                  So the EU is socialist in a different way? Can you define?
                  They want to extend the power of the EU state. They may not be stupid enough to completely close down entrepreneurial activity but they are doing their best to increase their own power and control.
                  Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyone

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by DodgyAgent View Post
                    They want to extend the power of the EU state. They may not be stupid enough to completely close down entrepreneurial activity but they are doing their best to increase their own power and control.
                    So they're statist and perhaps authoritarian? That's not at all the same thing as socialist, but I'm glad to have cleared that up for you.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Old Greg View Post
                      So they're statist and perhaps authoritarian? That's not at all the same thing as socialist, but I'm glad to have cleared that up for you.
                      You can't have socialism without being statist and authoritarian, because you need force and limits on personal freedoms to be able to steal the money from the rich to fund it.

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