Bring back John Major

[Mich the Tester]

I think you're suggesting a super-state, but why a socialist super-state?

A union isn't necessarily a super state. The African Union is not a super state and neither is the Union of South American Nations. They are, however, increasingly important economic organisations with which any country wanting to trade with their members may have to negotiate in future.

[MicrosoftBob]

No, that doesn't answer the question. Who says the EU aims to create a socialist super state?

Why is a Marxist the president of the European Commission ?

[DodgyAgent]

But to state that a regime is statist and authoritarian does not make it socialist. Was the Shah of Iran a socialist?

Equally there are socialists that are not or authoritarian.

So can we have some clear thinking please? Why is the EU socialist?

You can split hairs as much as you like but you will find that any sytem that has become statist and grown larger in its quest has followed a socialist agenda. In order for statism to grow the people have to surrender their individual freedoms to state control. Statism means state control of industries which means preventing smaller entrepreneurial enterprises from competing. More often than not statism can only exist if it is backed by authoritarian control.

The only reason that there may be socialists who are not in control is simply because they are not yet in power. You will however find that "statist" style organisations (monopolies) exist under some sort of "collective" control (trade unions).

Whilst the EU is without doubt seemingly supportive of business (the row over the UK governments doling out of Nuclear contracts being a prime example) it is on a mission to gather ever more power and control. Its laws and diktats are largely designed to kill off small businesses because only the larg corporates can afford to comply with regulations. even though banks, energy companies and transport organisations are privately owned they are in effect monopolies. With more and more regulation these will eventually be subsumed into the EU socialist empire.

If you look at China on the other hand the reverse is happening (and if you saw the program on Cuba last night - a perfect example of the same process in reverse). Power is being relinquished from the state.

These sorts of changes do not happen overnight but the direction is going firmly leftwards.

[DodgyAgent]

A union isn't necessarily a super state. The African Union is not a super state and neither is the Union of South American Nations. They are, however, increasingly important economic organisations with which any country wanting to trade with their members may have to negotiate in future.

The European Union would do well to copy them.

[Mich the Tester]

Why is a Marxist the president of the European Commission ?

Because he isn't a Marxist. He joined a Maoist student groupd when he was at college and probably off his head, and at a time that the socialist opposition were actually the only powerful group fighting the Estado Novo regime of Salazar.

Anyway, even if Barroso is still a Marxist, how does that make the aim of the EU a socialist super state? Will Barroso always get his way?

[Mich the Tester]

The European Union would do well to copy them.

I agree in so far as those organisations are primarily about free trade and removing unnecessary border formalities.

[Old Greg]

You can split hairs as much as you like but you will find that any sytem that has become statist and grown larger in its quest has followed a socialist agenda.

So if I find one that hasn't followed a socialist agenda, you are wrong?

[Mich the Tester]

So if I find one that hasn't followed a socialist agenda, you are wrong?

Wot, like the British Empire? Did that become socialist?

Was the Roman Empire socialist?

What about Genghis Khan's Mongol Empire? Just a bunch of Islington lefties?

[sasguru]

What about Genghis Khan's Mongol Empire? Just a bunch of Islington lefties?

Yes I think they invented the "chai latte".
Bunch of raving homosexual leftwing Trotskyite socialists

[Old Greg]

Yes I think they invented the "chai latte".
Bunch of raving homosexual leftwing Trotskyite socialists

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