Sarah Palin critical of the Pope for not being enough of an extremist nutjob

[DirtyDog]

Anyone heard or read anything interesting lately?

I read the bible recently. Fascinating read.

[doodab]

God created us with a conscience so that we can tell right from wrong. Over time obviously things have become corrupt but still we have a conscience that is in tune with God's moral laws.

I doubt you even believe an absolute right or wrong exists yet here you are pontificating about morals and laws.

Or perhaps "god's moral laws" are in tune with our conscience because we made them up to reflect ourselves?

[Mich the Tester]

Anyone heard or read anything interesting lately?

We're just getting going here, for the first time in many months, the full cretinwatch team has been joined by other members to thoroughly ridicule a piss poor sockie. I think he might be Cybertwunt actually.

[masonryan]

Didn't splitting the atom fundamentally change the perception of chemistry? Would that not be the ultimate example of a pillar of science changing - what previously scientists had held to be true was proved beyond all doubt to be false, and so a new premise was established.

The most fundamental pillars would be the laws of logic, which I doubt some of you even know what they are.

[DirtyDog]

Anyone heard or read anything interesting lately?

Richard Dawkins - The God Delusion was a bit of an eye-opener.

[russell]

I read the bible recently. Fascinating read.

Haven't read it yet, not into fiction.

[DirtyDog]

Anyone heard or read anything interesting lately?

Phillip Pullman's The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ was a load of crap though.

[masonryan]

Or perhaps "god's moral laws" are in tune with our conscience because we made them up to reflect ourselves?

So there is no absolute right and wrong then, in your view?

[cojak]

We're just getting going here, for the first time in many months, the full cretinwatch team has been joined by other members to thoroughly ridicule a piss poor sockie. I think he might be Cybertwunt actually.

Right you are.

As you were....

<wanders off to do something far more interesting>

[Mich the Tester]

Not a contradiction. The laws of logic exist whether or not we look for them or use them as a foundation for scientific enquiry- do you agree? Yes/no. If you are saying these laws are not absolute then explain to us how science could work, because it could not.

I think you failed to read what I said. There may indeed be absolute laws of logic, but humans don't know what they are, and so cannot possibly base science upon them; we can only base science on our understanding of logic as it stands at the moment of doing science.

And yes, it's quite possible for something to work without being based on known absolute laws; heuristics are examples of uncertainties that can provide useful guidelines for solving problems. If anything, all our laws of logic are heuristics.