Sarah Palin critical of the Pope for not being enough of an extremist nutjob

[cojak]

Since we seem to be going around in circles, I'm giving this thread until noon.

If we can't all agree one way or another by then (or at least agree to disagree) I'll close down the argument myself.

[DirtyDog]

God created us with a conscience so that we can tell right from wrong.

So why did Christians murder so many people during the crusades?

[masonryan]

No, he's completely right. The "laws of logic" as you call them are investigated and their limits probed all the time. Those that are in practical use by scientists remain fairly constant over time because they work, not because they are considered inviolable.

You seem to not have much of a clue what you are talking about.

You cannot account for the unchanging nature of these laws of logic. If they changed they would not be laws and science would not work.

[cojak]

Don't mind me, I'm just a mod...

[Mich the Tester]

so are you claiming science is not based on the absolute laws of logic? If so, you have a major misunderstanding of what science is or why it works.



The laws of logic already exist, as do the scientific laws based upon them, we are discovering them.

You've contradicted yourself here, which is not an entirely unexpected phenomenon. First you say that science is based on absolute laws of logic and then you say we are discovering the laws of logic. It's simply not possible for science, a human activity, to be based on absolute laws of logic if humans are still busy discovering the laws of logic.

[doodab]

Get back to me when you have observations of life 'just happening'.

Your statement that "none of that has been observed" is provably false.

Lipid bilayer formation is a well established phenomenon. Various labs have demonstrated the generation and polymerization of RNA.

[DirtyDog]

No you're completely wrong, you seem not to be understanding my point. Science is founded on unchanging pillars too. If the laws of logic are violated then so do the theories which sit upon them.

Didn't splitting the atom fundamentally change the perception of chemistry? Would that not be the ultimate example of a pillar of science changing - what previously scientists had held to be true was proved beyond all doubt to be false, and so a new premise was established.

[cojak]

Anyone heard or read anything interesting lately?

[cojak]

...or any nice recipes to share?

[masonryan]

You've contradicted yourself here, which is not an entirely unexpected phenomenon. First you say that science is based on absolute laws of logic and then you say we are discovering the laws of logic. It's simply not possible for science, a human activity, to be based on absolute laws of logic if humans are still busy discovering the laws of logic.

Not a contradiction. The laws of logic exist whether or not we look for them or use them as a foundation for scientific enquiry- do you agree? Yes/no. If you are saying these laws are not absolute then explain to us how science could work, because it could not.