If I hadn't gone to private school...

[DodgyAgent]

In the imagined Dodgy future, all schools will be as good as today's top school. That will commoditise education and remove the need for differentiation between schools.

The differentiation comes from some schools catering for highly intelligent kids, others for highly disruptive kids and others for good at sport. Every school will have one goal in common which is to bring the very best out of every child

[mudskipper]

I think cleavage for men is like chocolate for ladies. It is, by simply existing, nice. (Except for Norrahe who doesn't like chocolate, but does like films about gladiators)

[darmstadt]

Why can we not make every school outstandingly good?

How?

[MaryPoppins]

I think cleavage for men is like chocolate for ladies. It is, by simply existing, nice. (Except for Norrahe who doesn't like chocolate, but does like films about gladiators)

Perhaps you're right, had a similar conversation with someone about this recently.

[mudskipper]

Perhaps you're right, had a similar conversation with someone about this recently.

Chocolate boobs and everyone's happy. (Possibly NSFW)

[DodgyAgent]

How?

Well ask the ones that are outstanding in the private sector and the public sector how it is done and then let parents have vouchers to spend on whatever school they think is best for their children

[vetran]

Theoretically I think they do which is why schools get 'failed' although it would be interesting to see what these minimum standards are and how they've been changed over the years. Whatever happened to the 11 plus by the way?



I think its just trolling during lunch hour, tea breaks, check the times he tends to post. On the other hand he might be right and we're all wrong

11 plus is alive & well, the teachers in the state schools tend to be ideologically opposed to it. The majority of pupils taking it are privately tutored so the families whose children take it have to either value education or have spare cash. It ends up divisive an in my opinion should be a standard test all schools have to support.

The minimum primary standards are rubbish, they depend on the individual improvement measured each end of the 4 -5 years, if they leave the school before the last assessment it counts as a fail so if you have a high turnover of pupils you will be marked down.

[mudskipper]

One of the reasons why the dim and indolent do well in private schools is the attitude of their parents - both in influencing their child to value education and in putting pressure on the school to deliver results. Pushy parents = good results (but not always happy kids)

Another is the networking and jobs for the boys (or girls)

Sending kids of the same intelligence from a crappy background with disinterested parents to the same school would be unlikely to achieve the same results.

[DodgyAgent]

One of the reasons why the dim and indolent do well in private schools is the attitude of their parents - both in influencing their child to value education and in putting pressure on the school to deliver results. Pushy parents = good results (but not always happy kids)

Another is the networking and jobs for the boys (or girls)

Sending kids of the same intelligence from a crappy background with disinterested parents to the same school would be unlikely to achieve the same results.

Why not?

It works at Christ's hospital though I doubt the parents are "dissinterested" What makes you think that parents from a crappy (I presume you mean poor) are less likely to want the best for their kids than anyone else?

I find it extraordinary how the so called liberal middle classes presume to know what is best for the less well off in society. The liberal left do not like any sort of upward mobility from the proles which is why they are so keen to support the dreadful education system that the proles have no choice but to submit themselves to whilst they move to their areas of good schools or pay for them to go private.

[SueEllen]

Why not?

It works at Christ's hospital though I doubt the parents are "dissinterested" What makes you think that parents from a crappy (I presume you mean poor) are less likely to want the best for their kids than anyone else?

Crappy doesn't mean poor.

Most people mean by disinterested parents include people who are too strung out on drink and drugs to care what their off-spring do at school. Least if you are rich you can pay other people to take care of your children including a boarding school.