SC/DV Clearance

[The Lone Gunman]

Mate, you could be the queen mother for all I care BUT if you dont have a SC then you most likely wont be of any interest to an agent. Im happy you MIGHT get a BC BUT if the client really wants someone with a SC then you are screwed arent you?

Mailman

I have BC. You are right if they have to have SC, but this job insisted on it and I have been here for 9 months.
All agents and clients I have spoken too are well aware of my clearance status and they are tripping over themselves to put me forward. They are all willing to find a way.

[Mailman]

You seem to be missing the point here geezer. If the client comes back saying they only want SC people then you are fooked, no two ways about it.

Of course on the other hand they could just be playing games and havent actually put you anywhere apart from their "reject" tray under their desk (you know the one, looks a lot like a rubbish bin).

Mailman

[The Lone Gunman]

You seem to be missing the point here geezer. If the client comes back saying they only want SC people then you are fooked, no two ways about it.

Of course on the other hand they could just be playing games and havent actually put you anywhere apart from their "reject" tray under their desk (you know the one, looks a lot like a rubbish bin).

Mailman

You realy are a tedious twat aren't you.Unlike your argument, this is not some perceived problem, this is not what one of the real contractors told me, this is not what I think may be happening.
This is the reality of my experience. Current contract started 9 months ago for 6 months required SC clearance. I can not get it for at least another 2 months according to the guy at the DVA. Yet I have been here for 9 months. I have just interviewed for 2 other jobs which require SC, both of whom know I can not get it.
The funny thing is when they look at the software they are upgrading the originator was me! They are frantically trying to find a way of getting round the SC problem. They may not find a way then I will miss out, but so far that has not happened.

I have been put forward.
I have been considered.
I have been interviewed.
I am working on an SC project without SC clearance.

Postman prat, Postman prat,
Postman prat is a tedious twat..... (TLG wanders off singing again).

[Mailman]

I have been put forward.
I have been considered.
I have been interviewed.

Hahaha...yeah of COURSE LG...of course

Mailman

[gingerjedi]

How do these agencies get away with it????

"The ideal candidate
will have a current and valid DV security
clearance (or be prepared to go through vetting)"

It's the last bit in brackets that hacks me off!! OK my Clearance was valid through to 2008, but I haven't used it for 14 months...so It has lapsed.
Do they view me as a risk now!...........It cannot be that hard to renew!


All the Agents I have spoken to are not interested anymore...And surely that cannot be legal!

AHHHH!

Going back to the original post,

When you leave a DV post the DV clearance officialy lapses instantly, in reality you have 6 months to get another DV role after that you will need to be re-vetted. Any company/gov department that has payed £11,000 to have their consultant vetted is going to be mighty pissed off that agencies advertise for DV and see it as a form of poaching as officialy there are no out of work DV cleared consultants. I was told that i wasn't allowed to state on my CV that I had DV, only high level clearance.

I dont have it now so i can say what i like!

[Lucifer Box]

I just say that my previous employers, who I cannot name, have instructions to kill anyone who tries to check up on my work history.

[malvolio]

LG - pay attention....

Go find a copy of JSP460 and see what it says about access to material. You are working on a SC project because the cleared people have judged that there is no material risk to you doing so without SC clearance. It's not magic, there are no wonderful shortcuts, it's only because (a) they know you and (b) you have BC clearance. BC means you can see restricted material as of right, SC means you can see Secret. It doesn't mean you can't see Secret material without SC, if someone has done the risk assessment.

Now stop muddying the waters. The fact remains that 99.9% of people that apply for cleared work without active clearance will not be put forward. Go figure....

[gingerjedi]

Also having security clearance offers some sort of future job security against some of the... how can i say it?... 'cheap labour' that is flooding into the country at the moment.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Now stop muddying the waters. The fact remains that 99.9% of people that apply for cleared work without active clearance will not be put forward. Go figure....

I don't believe this is the case. Lots of the places I have worked have been willing to interview people with no clearance as long as they will undergo the process and are likely to be cleared.
My own situation is irrelevant.
Bitching about agents advertising with "willing to" in the advert seems a little contrived to me.
I work in the defence sector so most projects are long term so it may be different, but I have personal experience that is at odds with yours.
Each is relevant and we are a discusion forum.

You lot are effectively saying there is no point in asking, you'll get no reply!
I am saying go for it, you may get it.

I am quoting SC. DV is a different matter as it takes much longer to get and is therefore much more expensive.

[Mailman]

You lot are effectively saying there is no point in asking, you'll get no reply!

God you are slow, but you are getting there!

Mailman