Muslim awareness classes for schools?

[Mich the Tester]

if we accept that it is ok for people to get together and form a group that believes in violence against other living things we are, by our lack of opposition to it, promoting it to be a valid belief system.

That sounds a bit like a Bushism; 'if you're not with us then you're against us', or rather 'you can't be one of us if you're not against them'.

[minestrone]

How, precisely, would anything be 'promoted to be a valid belief system'? Other than the Church of England, which has a constitutional role, what would this 'promotion' entail? Could the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster go through a similar process?

Islamic faith schools, extremist teaching is pretty common in these places.

Extremism unchecked in schools, secret briefing reveals - Telegraph

[original PM]

So the NFU is a religion?

if it wanted to call itself one yes...

anyone can start a religion

[minestrone]

Your interpretation.

The core of all these beliefs is the same, it is always the ambiguities which causes extremists and by you saying "that is a fact" you have just placed yourself amongst them...

It is not, that part is literal.

[Mich the Tester]

Islamic faith schools, extremist teaching is pretty common in these places.

Extremism unchecked in schools, secret briefing reveals - Telegraph

Well in that case there seems to be a reason to to take action against those particular schools, but that's something different to denouncing a whole religion.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

It is not, that part is literal.

Ah my apologies, I didn't realise you were an Islamic scholar with a degree in arabic and islamic history.....

[SueEllen]

The Koran advocates violence towards women, that is fact.

What the nation has to work out is if a religion that believes such things should be promoted to be a valid belief system. I don't think it should.

The bible advocates violence to women in certain circumstances. Before you say the New Testament didn't say that Jesus did tell his followers to follow the Old Testament laws.

In other words no Abrahamic religion should be promoted in the UK as religions are as mad, bad and destructive as their worse followers. (Talk to people from NI if you don't believe me.)

[original PM]

yes but it is the schools of that faith which are teaching the extremism

how can we fix that - it is up to the faith to fix that (in much the same way as it is up to the catholic church to sort it's priest/choirboy issue out)

[minestrone]

The bible advocates violence to women in certain circumstances. Before you say the New Testament didn't say that Jesus did tell his followers to follow the Old Testament laws.

In other words no Abrahamic religion should be promoted in the UK as religions are as mad, bad and destructive as their worse followers. (Talk to people from NI if you don't believe me.)

I don't think there is much of a problem with Christians women's rights in the UK.

Can we say that about Muslim women? In fact as we don't have the balls to make them register their faith marriages underage weddings are pretty common and also having multiple married women is pretty common, I cant even be bothered starting on the face masks, forced marriage, honour killings or mutilation. These problems are rampant. We should stop making excuses for them and be more confrontational if we want to bring the religion into the 21st century.

[amcdonald]

Islamic faith schools, extremist teaching is pretty common in these places.

Extremism unchecked in schools, secret briefing reveals - Telegraph

It's not just religious schools, lLook at schools in Japan and how they hide or gloss over attrocities and wonder why there are still issues in the region

When I went to school the education system was overrun by intefering lefties who wanted to try and indoctrinate us, religion is part of the problem but not the only one

What is horrifying is that we allow religious schools to do this, when it something that the government could stop if it wanted to