Send em all home?

[Mich the Tester]

Why do companies already provide apprenticeships, fund post graduate studies or offer scholarships in the UK (Kingsbury Engineering scholarship is for 19k )- they wouldn't be doing this out of a sense of altruism but rather they see a long term benefit to the company.
You lack of comprehension around this is telling

The company I'm talking about have an extensive set of apprenticeships, as do most large industrials. However, they do projects for their customers (airports, courier firms, factories with production lines). When they win a tender for a project, they need people quickly, and not in 4 years' time. If someone from Argentina with an Italian passport sends an application with 'MEng Industrial Engineering' written at the top, and another person from Britain sends in a CV with Industrial Automation training and experience written all over it, would you suggest that they then hire some locals instead with no training and tell the customer to wait for a few years?

[sasguru]

Why do companies already provide apprenticeships, fund post graduate studies or offer scholarships in the UK (Kingsbury Engineering scholarship is for 19k )- they wouldn't be doing this out of a sense of altruism but rather they see a long term benefit to the company.
You lack of comprehension around this is telling

Actually its your lack of comprehension that tells me you work in some low-level capacity.

Of course, companies will train people in their particular technology or processes.
But they rightly expect that basic literacy (maths and English), and some specialised skills (e.g. in my field, statistics) will have been taught by school and universities.
All I'm saying is that I struggled to find locally qualified people in my field.
The quality of the local candidates was nowhere near that of foreigners.
It's just not feasible to teach people some specialised skills from scratch - by the time you've taught them, things have moved on.

[d000hg]

Why should they?
A company's role in a market economy is making profits for its shareholders, not shaping a decadent society.

Apart from the possible benefits of being popular in a country through integrating with the community, in the long term fostering skills you deem valuable where your company is based probably has some rewards.

[sasguru]

Apart from the possible benefits of being popular in a country through integrating with the community, in the long term fostering skills you deem valuable where your company is based probably has some rewards.

You need to get real.
Rightly or wrongly companies have no loyalty to their community (except maybe in highly "close" societies like Germany with many locally based family-owned companies - and even that is changing).
In a globalised world companies will be based where (1) they have markets (2) there is a benign and stable business and political environment and (3) they have a pool of qualified employees.
It used to be that the only the West had all those 3 scenarios, but now there are many candidates in the East.

[CoolCat]

You need to get real.
Rightly or wrongly companies have no loyalty to their community (except maybe in highly "close" societies like Germany with many locally based family-owned companies - and even that is changing).
In a globalised world companies will be based where (1) they have markets (2) there is a benign and stable business and political environment and (3) they have a pool of qualified employees.
It used to be that the only the West had all those 3 scenarios, but now there are many candidates in the East.

you missed (4) where they are allowed to produce pollution with limited anti-pollution measures (5) where the power is cheap (6) where intellectual property laws are not enforced making it cheap to use unlicenced ideas/software/industrial processes/etc (7) where expense of health and saftey laws is minimal (8) where you can bully your workforce into doing what you want with no fear of them using the courts on you (9) where customers never check dodgy qualifications making cheap staff easier to use (10) where all laws can be bypassed with a modest bribe to local officials

[Mich the Tester]

you missed (4) where they are allowed to produce pollution with limited anti-pollution measures (5) where the power is cheap (6) where intellectual property laws are not enforced making it cheap to use unlicenced ideas/software/industrial processes/etc (7) where expense of health and saftey laws is minimal (8) where you can bully your workforce into doing what you want with no fear of them using the courts on you (9) where customers never check dodgy qualifications making cheap staff easier to use (10) where all laws can be bypassed with a modest bribe to local officials

If this is all true, why are there profitable companies employing thousands of people all over western Europe?

[sasguru]

you missed (4) where they are allowed to produce pollution with limited anti-pollution measures (5) where the power is cheap (6) where intellectual property laws are not enforced making it cheap to use unlicenced ideas/software/industrial processes/etc (7) where expense of health and saftey laws is minimal (8) where you can bully your workforce into doing what you want with no fear of them using the courts on you (9) where customers never check dodgy qualifications making cheap staff easier to use (10) where all laws can be bypassed with a modest bribe to local officials

(2) A benign political and business environment usually rules out the above, since for your list to be true (especially (8)) you would have to be living in quite a dodgy country.
Most firms will take the advantages of rule-of-law, a functioning and independent judiciary, where their intellectual property can be protected, and their profits not appropriated, over the other "benefits" to them that you list.

[sasguru]

If this is all true, why are there profitable companies employing thousands of people all over western Europe?

See above.

[Mich the Tester]

Why have Petrobras given a 1 billion euro contract for building oil exploration ships to a Dutch company that builds ships in Rotterdam? Is it because they want to avoid environmental regulations?

[petergriffin]

When Mark Carney went to Nottingham last week to make his first speech as Governor of the Bank of England

Mark Carney is an overpaid immigrant and I agree with Brillosponge that he should be sent home. Anybody who has worked with Goldmann should have that mentioned on their criminal record as an unspent conviction.