Miranda nonsense

[AtW]

Everyone should know you say NOTHING. If not they get what they deserve.

The issue is not what he said or did not say - he was not charged, the issue is that he was detained in the first place under crazy anomaly of a law that, thankfully, was brought to light due to this incident.

[Churchill]

Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000/Part III


Just saying, like...

[minestrone]

He was allegedly threatened with prison if he won't answer questions. Where is Human Rights Act now with provisions that nobody can be forced to self incriminate themselves?

The police threaten everyone with prison, it is what they do.

It looks like the one wearing the trousers got right pissed off that someone was upsetting his man and is now creating a minor scene.

The guy should have known better than to blurt out everything. End of. The whole story is more Tantrums and Tiaras than The Third Man.

[darmstadt]

Everyone should know you say NOTHING. If not they get what they deserve.

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[AtW]

The police threaten everyone with prison, it is what they do.

Yeah, but this time allegedly they could put somebody in prison for not answering their questions, total BS.

It did not matter if he said something or nothing - bottom line is that such crazy geographical legal anomaly should not exist in a country that is meant to have rule of law - it's either everywhere or nowhere.

[Ticktock]

The police threaten everyone with prison, it is what they do.

Maybe. However in this case, rightly or wrongly, the law allows them to follow through with the threat. Refusal to answer questions can be met with 3 months imprisonment.
If I was sure I'd done nothing that was an offence then I think I'd be more likely to speak than to go to prison, especially if a solicitor was there telling me that this was true.

One of the many strange things about this case is that apparently no official complaint has been filed (yet - I guess it's only been a couple of days), instead we're subjected to a daily news item about how badly Miranda feels treated. It would almost seem as though the journalists are trying to whip up a public outcry instead of concentrating on the facts of the case, whether the detention had any justification, the law vs Human Rights legislation, etc.
Potentially they may know they're on to a loser. Whilst journalists can expect some extra protection under the law, Miranda was not a journalist. I note the use of terms like "he was carrying journalistic materials", which suggests to me they know there's been a slip up in letting him carry the materials, and potentially this has left him open where a journalist would be protected.

Hopefully there will actually be some news reported about this case, rather than just opinion pieces and Miranda whining on without bringing a complaint.

[AtW]

Hopefully there will actually be some news reported about this case, rather than just opinion pieces and Miranda whining on without bringing a complaint.

He is entitled to whine, it's his fooking right (free Speech).

Chances are that he got no legal right to complain about it because police was "within their powers", but he has got every fooking right to complaint about it - just because something is currently legal does not make it right or legal in the future.

[NickFitz]

AIUI, he was offered a lawyer from the start but not his own. His (Guardian supplied) lawyer turned up after 8 hours.

No, the police refused to grant his Grauniad lawyer access until after he had been detained for 8 hours.

[Ticktock]

He is entitled to whine, it's his fooking right (free Speech).

Chances are that he got no legal right to complain about it because police was "within their powers", but he has got every fooking right to complaint about it - just because something is currently legal does not make it right or legal in the future.

I'm not disputing his right to whine, I'm disputing the news-worthiness of his whining. I can understand it being front page news. What I object to is that everyday since there is a "new" news item, with the only change appearing to be a one-line quote from Miranda.
There are, I believe, around 160 complaints against detention under this act currently being investigated. Anyone has a right to file a complaint - whether or not you are successful is another matter.

And again, I'm not saying it is right or legal - I am saying I'm tired of the nature of the coverage, and I don't believe that people are considering the facts.

[AtW]

There are, I believe, around 160 complaints against detention under this act currently being investigated.

And people would not know about such anomaly or number of complaints had it not been for this arrest.

Laws should be same for everybody - some suspected child murderer in mainland UK should not have more rights than some chap who is merely passing Heathrow in transit zone.