Zero hours contracts

[Dominic Connor]

Brussels

Brillopad, almost all the Red Tape in the UK has come from Westminster, such as tax, planning laws, media regulation, health and safety etc.

Only the relatively small % of that comes "from Brussels" and very nearly all of which is stuff the UK government has freely agreed to because our elected representatives agreed to it.

Of the rest, a good chunk is quid pro quo, the UK government has decided to accept some regulation that we don't like in return for other EU states doing something they didn't really want to do.

You can argue that our representatives did not negotiate well and I'vd have to agree with you. In one case the division of natural gas field that lies between Britain and France favours the French because the arts graduate UK civil servants drew a map which assumed the world was flat. Yes really. That's a fine approximation for building your extension, not so good when tends of thousands of square miles of sea are involved.

That's bad, but its not the fault of the EU, that there are more old Etonians called Dave in Parliament than science grads.

[DodgyAgent]

What do the two posters above have in common?

(1) Margin, service businesses that create little value for anyone except themselves
(2) A poor education that causes innumerable fallacies in their arguments.

I had a very good education I will have you know. I was just thick

[DodgyAgent]

Then we need to slim down the state and leave Europe and rejoin the common market. When will we get another Maggie who will do this?



I am fortunate that I will never be faced with that situation. And as an ardent Maggie fan you can hardly call me a liberal.

However I do have some empathy with those suffering - particularly when I can see a better way. I think it is disgusting that you think ONLY of yourself and stuff everyone else. Maggie despised people like YOU. She always believed in a fair days work for a fair days pay.

The reason you are not faced with this type of situation is because you have made choices in your life that have removed this type of work from the equation?

[SussexSeagull]

You do have a choice. the fact that you have chosen to work in the world of zero hour contracts is a choice in itself.

Yes, a choice between working with a zero hour contract or going on benefits (of which all taxpayers still have to probably top up with tax credits, but that is another conversation).

[DodgyAgent]

Then it's not a choice, is it?

Why? is someone marching them to work at the end of a gun?

[sasguru]

I had a very good education I will have you know. I was just thick

Why don't you shut it then and spare us your ill-judged, poorly-informed, badly-argued thicko crap?

[DodgyAgent]

Yes, a choice between working with a zero hour contract or going on benefits (of which all taxpayers still have to probably top up with tax credits, but that is another conversation).

It is still a choice. It is also a choice to learn a skill and get a job that is in demand. If kids were lazy at school and have come out with poor qualifications then that is the choice they have made. If someone takes up missionary work in africa instead of taking a zero hour contract then it is a choice.

You will find that many people on zero hour contracts accept that this type of work is available and thus they are happy.They know that if they work hard and learn they can then start to control their own destiny and begin to get themselves in demand.
What would be very unpalatable would be for all these spoilt pampered "intellectual" do gooding liberals to have their way and have this type of job banned, even if it meant that there would be no jobs at all.

You lot really do not understand the concept of choice do you?

[DodgyAgent]

Why don't you shut it then and spare us your ill-judged, poorly-informed, badly-argued thicko crap?

Because I feel as though I am amongst like minded friends here

[sasguru]

You lot really do not understand the concept of choice do you?

I do. That's why I'm off to another thread where I don't have to read your mindless prattle.

[SueEllen]

Why? is someone marching them to work at the end of a gun?

So you would prefer them to stay on the dole?

One of the biggest users of zero hours contracts is the state including the NHS.

With the NHS some of the people involved are bank staff i.e. nurses and nursing assistants who actually are just working extra in the same or a different hospital to make more money.

However there are also care workers who deal with the elderly and disabled on zero hours contracts through agencies.

Point is zero hours contracts work for some people but not for others, and the fall out can be bigger than just the worker involved.