Zero hours contracts

[CoolCat]

We do not need to spend more on state education we need to spend better. And why should a decent education be available just for bright kids?

I agree

[BrilloPad]

It is still a choice .. as I said on another post the world is crying out for overhead linemen. My points are nothing to do with whether people are work shy or not, it is to do with freedom between parties to do business. Whilst I believe the state should restrict/control worker/employer relationships zero hour contracts is not one of them.

A few years ago there were hardly any plumbers about. It got to the stage where city traders were retraining as plumbers. Now there is a surplus of plumbers.

There is not going to be a need for 1.2m overhead linesmen.

I agree the state should not dictate employer/employee relations : it ought to get on with encouraging job creation (prefrably encouraging the private sector making stuff that people want) instead of throwing money at a handful of bankers.

However it seems that quite a few in government, like you, perpetuate this myth that most people are work shy. They will not be happy until the masses are enslaved. Even if the masses seem to be tolerating there enslavement without too much protest.

[DodgyAgent]

A few years ago there were hardly any plumbers about. It got to the stage where city traders were retraining as plumbers. Now there is a surplus of plumbers.

There is not going to be a need for 1.2m overhead linesmen.

I agree the state should not dictate employer/employee relations : it ought to get on with encouraging job creation (prefrably encouraging the private sector making stuff that people want) instead of throwing money at a handful of bankers.

However it seems that quite a few in government, like you, perpetuate this myth that most people are work shy. They will not be happy until the masses are enslaved. Even if the masses seem to be tolerating there enslavement without too much protest.

I am not saying that people are work shy I am saying that people are not making the right choices. Instead of going to the market where the skills are required they expect the markets to come to them according to what people want to do. not so much work shy as a sense of entitlement.

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

The onus should be on the government to create jobs at all levels.

Public sector jobs that are paid for from taxes or private sector jobs over which the Government has little control?

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

Well that needs a much longer answer than makes sense in a forum like this.

I think people who have had a decent basic education should take responsibility for themselves as much as possible. People who have not had that need more protection.

I think we spend more than enough on state education to provide everyone here with a decent basic education, but I observe that for even bright clever kids in some of our sink schools they just dont get that decent basic education. I would be locking up some of the teachers and education authority staff for gross failure...

But the teachers are unable to discipline which means that disruptive pupils can disrupt the learning experience for all the other pupils regardless of the abilities of the teachers

[DodgyAgent]

The onus should be on the government to create jobs at all levels.

The onus on government is to ensure that people are prepared for the world of work and that the work and living environments are condusive to wealth and hence job creation. As for the public sector then the government is responsible for delivering the highest quality of services.

The last thing the government should be doing is directly creating jobs

[doodab]

It is still a choice .. as I said on another post the world is crying out for overhead linemen. My points are nothing to do with whether people are work shy or not, it is to do with freedom between parties to do business. Whilst I believe the state should restrict/control worker/employer relationships zero hour contracts is not one of them.

I am not saying that people are work shy I am saying that people are not making the right choices. Instead of going to the market where the skills are required they expect the markets to come to them according to what people want to do. not so much work shy as a sense of entitlement.

I think people are quite happy to take the jobs where the skills are required i.e. retail. The problem is that they don't have a choice about the zero hour contracts because they have no bargaining power. I think the more you allow employers to treat people like this the more you will disincentivise people who actually are willing to work hard and be flexible about what they are willing to do. Eventually you will have no choice but to recruit the workshy, feckless and criminal.

[BrilloPad]

Public sector jobs that are paid for from taxes or private sector jobs over which the Government has little control?

Neither. Worthwhile jobs for everyone by setting up economic conditions where businesses can thrive. Little red tape and low tax . I weould also support trade tariffs - though it might be too late for that.

[BrilloPad]

I am not saying that people are work shy I am saying that people are not making the right choices. Instead of going to the market where the skills are required they expect the markets to come to them according to what people want to do. not so much work shy as a sense of entitlement.

Rubbish! You think any of those 1.2m want a zero hour contract? They are so desperate they will take anything. Plenty of people want to work but cannot. Yes there are some work shy. But the vast majority of people are not like that.

[DodgyAgent]

I think people are quite happy to take the jobs where the skills are required i.e. retail. The problem is that they don't have a choice about the zero hour contracts because they have no bargaining power. I think the more you allow employers to treat people like this the more you will disincentivise people who actually are willing to work hard and be flexible about what they are willing to do. Eventually you will have no choice but to recruit the workshy, feckless and criminal.

The whole point of a flexible labour market is that it can adapt. If all the best people working on zero hour contracts go and get better jobs elsewhere then the employer will have to change his employment contracts accordingly.

Nothing incentivises people more than not having any money to put bread on the table.