arab civilization ?

[AlfredJPruffock]

Did they also invent pulling the rabit out of the hat after saying algebra kadabra?

As someone already said, for a group that was so advanced a thousand years ago their "offspring" today have done a pretty good job at ******* up any advances that had made completely.

In fact you could say that Islam is acting like the catholic church was acting a thousand years ago. Closed minded and inward looking. Feck, Id even go as far to say that Christianity is the new Islam

Mailman

Aha, so you loathe Muslims and now Christians Mailman,predictable I suppose.

And you support Israel , fair enough then.

[expat]

Actually quite a lot. Ever seen early Arab architecture? They acted as a bridge from the knowledge of the Greeks and Romans to the Renaissance, improving and contributing to that foundation, while Europe was in the Dark Ages. They were also at that time quite tolerant of other religions and cultures. The words algebra and algorithm have Arab roots which should tell you something. I could go on.

In fact you could say that Islam was the tolerant religion and Christianity the fundamentalist one back then.

The real shame is that they've turned their backs on that heritage and become crap again.

Indeed. It´s been argued that European univerisities developed from muslim madrassas (religious schools with teaching and argument) rather then the Christian "equivalent", monasteries, which were closed and dogmatic.

Hence the founding of Europe´s earliest universities just when islamic learning (which included the only extant copies of many ancient Greek texts) reached Christian Europe.

[Mailman]

Aha, so you loathe Muslims and now Christians Mailman,predictable I suppose.

And you support Israel , fair enough then.

How can you construe from my rather unbiased and factual posting that I hate everyone?

Mailman is not prejudiced.

He hates everyone.

Im an equal opportunities kinda guy

Mailman

[darmstadt]

Acid Islam

[NickIT]

Indeed. It´s been argued that European univerisities developed from muslim madrassas (religious schools with teaching and argument) rather then the Christian "equivalent", monasteries, which were closed and dogmatic.

Hence the founding of Europe´s earliest universities just when islamic learning (which included the only extant copies of many ancient Greek texts) reached Christian Europe.

I would have to disagree with that....Socretes and Aristotle for starters...

[xoggoth]

Ah yes. Lots of the "What's the problem? we were at least as bad 300 years ago sort of arguments". If I had my way we would have a proper philosophy based on CHEMICAL ENGINEERING principles.

a) Nothing matters but what you can measure. Forget reasons, motives, excuses. Judge only by measurable material results.

b) The past has no meaning or relevance, only the present and what is reliably predicted to be the future. (Henry Ford put it much more succinctly)

c) The flow in packed beds cab be represented by the Kozeny-Carmen relation and can be expressed as:
K=[E^3/Ksv^2*(1-e^2)]

[hyperD]

Ah yes. Lots of the "What's the problem? we were at least as bad 300 years ago sort of arguments". If I had my way we would have a proper philosophy based on CHEMICAL ENGINEERING principles.

a) Nothing matters but what you can measure. Forget reasons, motives, excuses. Judge only by measurable material results.

b) The past has no meaning or relevance, only the present and what is reliably predicted to be the future. (Henry Ford put it much more succinctly)

c) The flow in packed beds cab be represented by the Kozeny-Carmen relation and can be expressed as:
K=[E^3/Ksv^2*(1-e^2)]

Agreed!

Signed

Fellow (ex) Process Engineer

[expat]

I would have to disagree with that....Socretes and Aristotle for starters...

What about Socrates and Aristotle? Did European universities develop from them? The might have done but it looks as thought they didn't. The ancient Greeks pre-dated Islamic culture and European universities, but did not directly give rise to either. In any case, at the time when European universities developed, these 2 writers were known to Europeans through the muslim caliphate of Cordoba and its arabic copies of the texts: the first Latin versions of Aristotle were translations from Arabic, not from Greek.

[NickIT]

What about Socrates and Aristotle? Did European universities develop from them? The might have done but it looks as thought they didn't. The ancient Greeks pre-dated Islamic culture and European universities, but did not directly give rise to either. In any case, at the time when European universities developed, these 2 writers were known to Europeans through the muslim caliphate of Cordoba and its arabic copies of the texts: the first Latin versions of Aristotle were translations from Arabic, not from Greek.

No but the idea of a centre of learning came from them...

[expat]

No but the idea of a centre of learning came from them...

No, I don't think it did. They did invent it, but we didn't take it from them.