Challenge for the UKIP

[sasguru]

By implication we are:

Hence the "stop the world I want to get off" mentality.
And therein lies the problem, many people think we are superior to Europeans let alone other nations.

So if not stupid then we are certainly swivel eyed lunatic little englanders with an overblown sense of our own importance.

Let me ask you why then if we should all be Europeans (with a tesco on every high street, speaking the same language, wearing the same clothes, doffing our hats to the glorious EU commission) why we should automatically subscribe to the version of the EU being imposed upon us? Or are you not so bright after all and keen to join to join the parade to support the first thing with "true european" stamped on it?

The trouble is that you people see the status quo of how Europe is governed as the only blue print for how a united Europe should be composed. It is your box and anyone who is anti your box is not necessarily anti europe.

Despite your much (self) vaunted intelligence You are not really bright enough to see outside of your own little Eurobox are you?

All I'm saying is we can't have a clear discussion of the pros and cons if we have unrealistic beliefs.
Yet, as per usual, you've launched yourself on one, thus removing all doubt that you're a cretin.

[DodgyAgent]

Firstly, if I thought you were a swivel eyed little englander I wouldn't bother discussing this with you.

Secondly, I think I've made clear that I think the status quo is a mess (especially their 80s albums and that dreadful 'you're in the army now') and that a new approach is needed to ensuring free trade and a healthy economy in Europe, and that I think that new approach will come if the UK stays in the EU and works with other members who have similar needs. There are many possible blueprints, and personally I wouldn't favour a prefab blueprint, but something with less formality, more flexibility in the details, a much smaller bureaucracy and a solid agreement on free trade and liberty.

None of that will happen unless someone truly threatens the status quo, and the only thing I can see that will do that is the withdrawal of nation states from membership..

Why is there this endless determination to make everything big? It is a self serving drive to eradicate competition and silence dissent yet we all go along with it. It is sold as making savings and setting common standards which is fine but only up to a point. The problem with our economy is that there are too many large corporations dominating it. They are influencing regulation and finance in such a way to stop competion and artificially gear economies to their way of doing things. Cyprus is a prime example of where finance has taken over the economy, driving up house prices, driving workers to work in finance and thus stifling any other sort of enterprise. Of course it has gone Norks up leaving the country decimated.

The EU is a big and growing institution. The bigger it gets the less democratic and service oriented it will become. Influencing will become a game (as I am convinced it already is) not of pushing for the interests of members but about sticking your nose up the right ar*e in order to get the biggest approval and the best job.

The EU needs cutting down to size as do the banks, and other global conglomerates.

[Mich the Tester]

None of that will happen unless someone truly threatens the status quo, and the only think I can see that will do that is competition.

Why is there this endless determination to make everything big? It is a self serving drive to eradicate competition and silence dissent yet we all go along with it. It is sold as making savings and setting common standards which is fine but only up to a point. The problem with our economy is that there are too many large corporations dominating it. They are influencing regulation and finance in such a way to stop competion and artificially gear economies to their way of doing things. Cyprus is a prime example of where finance has taken over the economy, driving up house prices, driving workers to work in finance and thus stifling any other sort of enterprise. Of course it has gone Norks up leaving the country decimated.

The EU is a big and growing institution. The bigger it gets the less democratic and service oriented it will become. Influencing will become a game (as I am convinced it already is) not of pushing for the interests of members but about sticking your nose up the right ar*e in order to get the biggest approval and the best job.

The EU needs cutting down to size as do the banks, and other global conglomerates.

I agree. That's why I think Britain should be in pushing for something new.

[DodgyAgent]

I agree. That's why I think Britain should be in pushing for something new.

Britain can push all it likes but unless those that run the EU are subject to competition and accountability nothing will change.

[Doggy Styles]

I agree. That's why I think Britain should be in pushing for something new.

Like a simple common market?

[Mich the Tester]

Like a simple common market?

Umm, something like that, yes.

[darmstadt]

None absolutely whatsoever. Just trying to be informative about some of the voting that they've taken part in. I'll post some of the stuff they've voted for shall I? I mean this is what the general public should be told about, what their MEP is actually doing for that extraordinary sum of taxpayers money

Please do!

I'm sorry, I'm not allowed to answer that question due to a gagging order. Actually I'm quite surprised that some enterprising little sod hasn't gone through the UKIP MEPs attendence in the EU and seen what they have voted for and against and how it both applies to their 'manifesto' (they do have one don't they?) and their own personal gain

TBH it's a bit of a job, but the information is available. But it's quite possible that some young geek is doing precisely that while employed by a British political party head office.

I've said it before, I'm pretty sure that the Daily Mail read this forum as many a time has something been mentioned on here or posted and, viola, a bit later they have it:

Nigel Farage says he is 'entitled to a lunchtime pint' as figures show UKIP is the 'laziest' party in Brussels | Mail Online

[DodgyAgent]

I've said it before, I'm pretty sure that the Daily Mail read this forum as many a time has something been mentioned on here or posted and, viola, a bit later they have it:

Nigel Farage says he is 'entitled to a lunchtime pint' as figures show UKIP is the 'laziest' party in Brussels | Mail Online

Their whole point is to flick two fingers at the EU and I think most people who voted for them did so on this basis. I doubt anyone expects them to get involved in anything other than entertaining us.

[Mich the Tester]

I've said it before, I'm pretty sure that the Daily Mail read this forum as many a time has something been mentioned on here or posted and, viola, a bit later they have it:

Nigel Farage says he is 'entitled to a lunchtime pint' as figures show UKIP is the 'laziest' party in Brussels | Mail Online

You great wally, you've started this boring crap again!

[darmstadt]

You great wally, you've started this boring crap again!

So sorry. I didn't mean to start the EU tulip up again although certain people seem to think that. Maybe I should have started a new thread called 'Daily Mail uses CUK as inspiration' as that was what I was trying to point out. Just to help, here's a 'swivel eyed loon' yesterday:



****, thats horrible