Woolwich Incident

[d000hg]

I bow out usually because debating with a cretin makes me a cretin too. But since you insist I'll take on your extremely illogical points, in following posts.

I think your cretinity (ha!) is an absolute.


Or just absolute.

[doodab]

Without human intervention, you mean. Which is the very definition of a miraculous healing. We even have the phrase "medical miracle".

Your incredibly closed-minded question asserts that there is no intervention but since medical science has no idea how this can happen, it is an entirely valid suggestion that there is indeed intervention of some kind.

It is an awfully big leap from "without human intervention" to "the result of supernatural forces". It's raining, I'm pretty sure it happened without human intervention, but I don't believe it could be called a miracle unless you refuse to distinguish the natural from the supernatural.

[proggy]

Hang on isn't this the gay marriage thread? It seemed all the threads were gay marriage threads a few days back.

Maybe the mods will merge them all and we should ban religious arguments as they never end. Some of my brothers are Christians and every time we get together the same old arguments happen, rather than just agreeing to disagree and talk about something else.

[sasguru]

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I think your cretinity (ha!) is an absolute.


Or just absolute.

Are you going to answer my questions? I'm particularly interested in why you think God should only cure diseases, not stuff that might happen in, say, a car accident.

[sasguru]

Also perhaps we should address Sas' obsession with what university people went to... bit of an inferiority complex there methinks.

It has a bearing on the question due to your ridiculous illogic.

[sasguru]

The Sherlock Holmes and Occam's Razor approach to seeing someone who was crippled or dying of cancer suddenly restored would be that something had intervened in their life. What is a simpler explanation, that against everything you believe about the way the universe works, they just got better, or that something caused them to get better?
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Occam's razor would indeed argue that something had happened, it wouldn't posit a supernatural force, you moron. Otherwise anytime we couldn't explain something we could just say, Gee, its a supernatural force. Which isn't what Occam was trying to say at all.

[DimPrawn]

https://github.com/Paradoxika/Papers...d/GodProof.pdf

[NotAllThere]

I think studying the psychology of religion would be more useful.

Doing that as well. Quite fascinating.

I've finished the Philosophy¨of Religion module. Early on into it, it became apparent that much of what passes for religious discussion here is based upon the ideas of a few guys from the 18th and 19th centuries (Marshall Brain wasn't the first person to come up with the idea - though it is based upon a whole heap of assumptions and non sequiturs). Things have moved on since then, but obviously not much has made it into popular consciousness.

Occam's razor merely says don't multiply causes unnecessarily - it doesn't apply here. Both a believer and sceptic would accept that the cancer went into remission. The sceptic adding the word "spontaneous" doesn't really explain anything. The believer saying "God did it", has more explanatory power. The sceptic may work out the mechanism of the remission. Then the believer will say "Ah, so that's how God did it".

There really is no meeting of the minds here - it's down to how you choose to see the world.

[sasguru]

Actually I'm staggered by how confused dooghy's mind actually is.
Don't know if it's funny or sad...

[Malcolm Buggeridge]

Here's my tuppence ha'penny's worth now my blood has stopped boiling and I'm able to express a more measured response to this outrage.

The security services have hours of footage of these radicals professing their desire for death to all infidels at all manner of public occasion from Rememberance Sunday at the Cenotaph to fallen soldiers' homecomings at Wooton Bassett.

I say go through that footage, identify those with offending banners and track them down.

If they are found to be here illegally send them packing on the next flight home.

If they are here legally by virtue of having a visa or by having been naturalised then revoke those rights of residency. Then send them packing on the next flight home.

If they are born here then make them life long signatories to a register akin to the sex offenders register. They will be made to check in to a police station on a regular basis so we can keep tabs on them and, if they fail to turn up - even just once, they can look forward to a year breaking rocks in Grisly Risley, or some such similar delightful establishment..

Just a thought....