Taxes - what taxes

[AtW]

And a lot of honest tax payers want their taxes spent on butt****ing freeloaders

Taxpayers have got 4 options:

1) earn more to get more
2) whine about it
3) fook off somewhere else
4) fook with HMRC and get fooked in return
5) get onto benefits ladder

I've chosen combination of #1 and #2.

[DodgyAgent]

My view is that whilst without doubt Govt should be more efficient with existing taxes and with improvements in efficiencies taxes should go down, that is not sufficiently good reason for some to pay a lot less tax than others do in same situation.

It's all nice to say Govt wastes money, however if you dodge taxes then you got no fooking right to complain about it in the first place - it's the honest taxpayers who carry the burden who have the right to whine about it.

Only by making it difficult for government to raise tax can they learn to spend it wisely. Until people's attitudes towards tax change and we start demanding more from our public services then there is no morality in paying it. You are trying to turn this into a moral crusade just like all the other politicians and lefties. Until tax is spent properly then I am afraid that morality doesn't come into it. Right now money squirrelled into offshore bank accounts is better spent than it is in the hands of HM treasury.

In the meantime if the law allows people to exploit loopholes then so be it. If you do not like this and want to advocate a new level of law based on "morality" or "what is right" then I am afraid that you are not of this planet

[AtW]

Right now money squirrelled into offshore bank accounts is better spent than it is in the hands of HM treasury.

It's better be kept in First Iranian Bank as otherwise you might get a nasty suprise

[shaunbhoy]

I am afraid that you are not of this planet

Harsh but fair!

[lilelvis2000]

Only by making it difficult for government to raise tax can they learn to spend it wisely.

They'll just borrow more and make our kids pay it back.

[Mich the Tester]

Only by making it difficult for government to raise tax can they learn to spend it wisely. ... Until tax is spent properly then I am afraid that morality doesn't come into it. Right now money squirrelled into offshore bank accounts is better spent than it is in the hands of HM treasury.

Hits the nail on the head. I am sick to the back teeth of paying lots and lots of tax, seeing various taxes go up and then realising that the government is running a large deficit again and again, while noticing all sorts of unnecessary crap being bought by both national and local government. Let's do it the other way around; instead of basing spending on what HM Government think is going to come in as revenues next year plus a bit more, how about basing it on what came in last year minus a bit; perhaps an old fashioned attitude to good housekeeping, but I think that's still the best way to avoid debts and keep something aside for the future.

[d000hg]

I've considered very carefully what happens to those who don't let the Govt take their rightful share

There is no such thing as a "rightful share", only the amount they need to spend. They're not inherently entitled to our money, it's simple logistics.

[DodgyAgent]

There is no such thing as a "rightful share", only the amount they need to spend. They're not inherently entitled to our money, it's simple logistics.

"I've considered very carefully what happens to those who don't let the Govt take their rightful share"

Spot on. And it is this statement that perfectly illustrates what I mean about "entitlement"

[AtW]

There is no such thing as a "rightful share", only the amount they need to spend. They're not inherently entitled to our money, it's simple logistics.

Taxes enshrined in law.

[DodgyAgent]

Taxes enshrined in law.

What about the ones that are not enshrined in law that you seem so keen to pursue in your "tax avoidance" crusade?