Osborne Speech on Scotland Independance

[vetran]

There is no process. They simply have to accept Scotland's majority vote.

I suspect they might make one.

[proggy]

They are not part of Scotland they are part of the UK so they are as much attached to England as they are to Scotland

Nope, they are part of Scotland first, and Scotland is in union with the U.K.

[DodgyAgent]

Nope, they are part of Scotland first, and Scotland is in union with the U.K.

Fair enough, but if Scotland have the right to vote for separation from the larger union then so do the Shetland and Orkney islands.

[shaunbhoy]

They are part of Scotland

and here is why......

King Christian I of Denmark (Denmark owned Norway then) gave Shetland and Orkney to Scotland as a dowry (wedding present) to Margaret of Denmark (his daughter) marrying James III, King of Scots.

So Scotland brought them into the Union and Scotland will take them out again should the vote go that way.
Ain't historical fact a bitch DA?

[shaunbhoy]

Fair enough, but if Scotland have the right to vote for separation from the larger union then so do the Shetland and Orkney islands.

As do the Isle of Dogs, the Isle of Grain, The Scilly Isles, Wapping, Yorkshire, and god knows who else. But it is unlikely to happen as most shetlanders spend their life so pissed they would not know how to mark an "X" on a ballot paper.

[doodab]

They are already talking about home rule. It's a matter of time.

[shaunbhoy]

They are already talking about home rule. It's a matter of time.

The Irish "talked" about Home Rule for hundreds of years, and still have not quite got there. And they have the cojones to want to fight for it too. I suspect most Shetties could be bought off for a half bottle of Bells and a four-pack of Harp Lager.

[doodab]

I think the fly in the ointment might be that neither Orkney or Shetland actually ARE an island nation. No more than the Isle of Wight is anyway. They are simply a part of Scotland and have no more right to vote for their own independence than people that live on the Isle of Sheppey!!

None of that is a reason why they or any other tiny island couldn't operate as a country, which was the assertion I was disagreeing with.

[shaunbhoy]

None of that is a reason why they or any other tiny island couldn't operate as a country, which was the assertion I was disagreeing with.

You've never been there, have you?

[vetran]

and here is why......

King Christian I of Denmark (Denmark owned Norway then) gave Shetland and Orkney to Scotland as a dowry (wedding present) to Margaret of Denmark (his daughter) marrying James III, King of Scots.

So Scotland brought them into the Union and Scotland will take them out again should the vote go that way.
Ain't historical fact a bitch DA?

Not quite

Shetland was pledged by Christian I, in his capacity as King of Norway, as security against the payment of the dowry of his daughter Margaret, betrothed to James III of Scotland. As the money was never paid, the connection with the crown of Scotland has become perpetual.

it was pawned.