Stupid journalists who propagated the MMR scare

[Troll]

who is? My Children had the MMR, if the single jabs had been available safely we might of had those instead.

WVS except you cannot request the jabs individually in this country on the NHS - a deliberate policy by the DoH

Also I recall reading about BSE possibly species jumping from herbivores to humans in one of the Science Journals -which was enough to stop eating British meat all on the basis of unproven journalism and despite the best efforts of politicians to demonstrate its safety by ramming burgers down their daughter's gobs and the Governments Chief Scientific Officers bleating that any link was unproven and scientifically unsound

As a parent you weigh up the risks and make your choices...but have to live with any consequences for the rest of your life

[doodab]

As a parent you weigh up the risks and make your choices...but have to live with any consequences for the rest of your life

Hence the tendency to err on the side of caution.

Most people don't understand the maths that these studies use, in the same way most people don't understand the intricate details of how a car or a computer or a jet engine works. They still have to use these things, so they make a best guess based on what they know and what they know they don't know. I don't think that necessarily makes them morons.

[ZARDOZ]

We all seem to agree having MMR is better than not?

So it seems to me the argument we are having here is Why do people do stupid things? My assertion is it is because they are stupid while Vetran et al are arguing it is because the Government are stupid. That's more the kind of argument one would expect from someone on the left of the political spectrum.

[minestrone]

Why should the NHS have to provide an more costly alternative treatment to one that works perfectly well?

[ZARDOZ]

Why should the NHS have to provide an more costly alternative treatment to one that works perfectly well?

Exactly, It's used around the world. Moreover, In Japan, in 1993, they had problems with contamination of their own MMR vaccine and stopped the programme. They used single measles and rubella vaccines instead. Between 1994 and 1999, there were 85 deaths from measles - in this country there were no acute measles deaths in a decade. The single vaccine approach is worse.

from MMR Vaccine

MMR in other countries
•In all states of the USA, children are only allowed to attend school if they have had their vaccinations, including MMR. There is a 99% uptake in the USA by school entry.
•Finland and Sweden started MMR vaccination with the same vaccine as the USA in 1982, and have published studies that the programme is safe and effective.
•In the Republic of Ireland, the low uptake of MMR (74.4% in the Eastern Region area) resulted in an outbreak of 1,220 cases of measles with three deaths.
•In the Netherlands a religious community that refuses vaccination recently had a measles epidemic of over 2,300 cases. Almost 20% had serious complications and 3 children died.




Measles, mumps and rubella - single vaccines
•There is no scientific evidence to support the safety or efficacy of giving M/M/R vaccination as three separate vaccines at defined intervals.
•Using separate vaccines would lessen the take-up of vaccination, increasing the risk of these diseases returning.
•No other country that recommends three single vaccines rather than MMR triple vaccine.
•Having separate vaccines means there are delays between the jabs - leaving children at risk of infection from measles, mumps and rubella.
•When the single measles vaccine was in use in the UK, there were regular measles epidemics, killing between 10-20 children each year.

[shaunbhoy]

which was enough to stop eating British meat

IIRC, CJD was a disease that attacked the brain. Hardly a contingency that anyone with YOUR genes need concern themselves with, blessed as you are with a head that is emptier than a Hermit's address book!!!




HTH

[shaunbhoy]

Why should the NHS have to provide an more costly alternative treatment to one that works perfectly well?

In a nutshell. Spending more money to simply appease the jellyheaded amongst us. Makes no sense.

[vetran]

Exactly, It's used around the world. Moreover, In Japan, in 1993, they had problems with contamination of their own MMR vaccine and stopped the programme. They used single measles and rubella vaccines instead. Between 1994 and 1999, there were 85 deaths from measles - in this country there were no acute measles deaths in a decade. The single vaccine approach is worse.

from MMR Vaccine

MMR in other countries
•In all states of the USA, children are only allowed to attend school if they have had their vaccinations, including MMR. There is a 99% uptake in the USA by school entry.
•Finland and Sweden started MMR vaccination with the same vaccine as the USA in 1982, and have published studies that the programme is safe and effective.
•In the Republic of Ireland, the low uptake of MMR (74.4% in the Eastern Region area) resulted in an outbreak of 1,220 cases of measles with three deaths.
•In the Netherlands a religious community that refuses vaccination recently had a measles epidemic of over 2,300 cases. Almost 20% had serious complications and 3 children died.




Measles, mumps and rubella - single vaccines
•There is no scientific evidence to support the safety or efficacy of giving M/M/R vaccination as three separate vaccines at defined intervals.
•Using separate vaccines would lessen the take-up of vaccination, increasing the risk of these diseases returning.
•No other country that recommends three single vaccines rather than MMR triple vaccine.
•Having separate vaccines means there are delays between the jabs - leaving children at risk of infection from measles, mumps and rubella.
•When the single measles vaccine was in use in the UK, there were regular measles epidemics, killing between 10-20 children each year.

Disease = Bad

Vaccination = Good (mostly)

Vaccines: Vac-Gen/Side Effects

Severe Problems (Very Rare)

Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses)
Several other severe problems have been reported after a child gets MMR vaccine, including:
Deafness
Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness
Permanent brain damage
These are so rare that it is hard to tell whether they are caused by the vaccine.

If the CDC aren't sure with Billions of dollars in research why are some CUKers?


Forced adoption of vaccination with aggressive prosecution of any counter arguments=Silly.

[sasguru]

If the CDC aren't sure with Billions of dollars in research why are some CUKers?


Forced adoption of vaccination with aggressive prosecution of any counter arguments=Silly.

You're a cretin. HTH.

[vetran]

You're a cretin. HTH.

you missed the laughs

were you distracted by watching the vinyl going down?