Originally posted by SueEllen
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Why are some folk keen on making a point at the funeral?
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What happens in General, stays in General.You know what they say about assumptions! -
I had a quick check of the statistics. There are no unemployment black spots any more. Inner cities including London typically have "black spots" of 10% ...well 10% isn´t good but is pretty good when you compare it to the rest of Europe. Scotland seems to be doing pretty well really.I'm alright JackComment
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Originally posted by doodab View PostI'm not sure this is true. Historically we led the world at mass production, and even today British high tech manufacturers are as good as any you'll find. Where we lost out was in semiconductor and electronics manufacture. We practically invented the computer and many of the early firms were British. That we don't have an IBM, HP, Intel or Samsung in the UK is, to my mind, the single greatest failure of industrial and economic policy since the war.
Much of the drive to do this stuff in other countries came from industry but we had British Leyland and not Toyota.Comment
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Originally posted by doodab View PostLets take the "what could she have done differently" argument and turn it around. Where should they have gone?
United Kingdom Unemployment Rate
Unemployment went up significantly in the mid-80s, but then fell again through to the end of Thatcher's reign until the recession messed it up a bit, before continuing to fall again. If it's really true that Thatcher destroyed industry, destroyed whole areas, and left people with no hope of ever finding work again in their lifetimes as we always hear, where are all those people? How come there was less unemployment in 2004 than there was in 1979?
Surely it is the governments job to implement an economic strategy that ensures that whole towns aren't dependent on a single employer, especially when that government is about to pull the plug on said employer.
I'm not sure why it would be "undemocratic" or "unfair to the majority" to take short term measures to transform or revitalise a failing local economy.Will work inside IR35. Or for food.Comment
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Originally posted by VectraMan View PostIf your argument is "there are no jobs", as we often hear today, have a look at the unemployment figures:
United Kingdom Unemployment Rate
Unemployment went up significantly in the mid-80s, but then fell again through to the end of Thatcher's reign until the recession messed it up a bit, before continuing to fall again. If it's really true that Thatcher destroyed industry, destroyed whole areas, and left people with no hope of ever finding work again in their lifetimes as we always hear, where are all those people? How come there was less unemployment in 2004 than there was in 1979?
Thatcher did ensure that whole towns aren't dependent on a single industry, although you may not like the way she did it, you obviously agree that it was the right thing to do.While you're waiting, read the free novel we sent you. It's a Spanish story about a guy named 'Manual.'Comment
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Originally posted by VectraMan View PostIf your argument is "there are no jobs", as we often hear today, have a look at the unemployment figures:
United Kingdom Unemployment Rate
Unemployment went up significantly in the mid-80s, but then fell again through to the end of Thatcher's reign until the recession messed it up a bit, before continuing to fall again. If it's really true that Thatcher destroyed industry, destroyed whole areas, and left people with no hope of ever finding work again in their lifetimes as we always hear, where are all those people? How come there was less unemployment in 2004 than there was in 1979?
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hmm I think to get the changes needed (such as removing 1 industry towns) you will always need to wait a generation to see the benefits.
Many of the people affected by the changes Thatcher made will be bitter (and it was hard on them) - but they are missing the fact it offered their children more opportunity.
It will be the same if sweeping changes are made to the benefits system (for example not giving free money/housing to girls who see pregnancy as a career choice).
It will be tough for that generation but not so for the next generation as it will not be an option for them.Comment
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Be interesting to see the news coverage and see how many of these 'protesters' are even old enough to remember her in office. Looking at the pictures of the 'celebrations' in Liverpool it just looked like another excuse for the lawless to cause trouble. I am not sure how 20 odd year old scouse hoodies can understand what she did or who she is.'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!Comment
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Originally posted by doodab View PostSorry, lets get this straight, you're arguing that although unemployment went up sharply under thatcher and didn't recover until 14 years after she left office that it was all none of her doing? And because these areas have partly recovered after 20 years she didn't do any harm?
By ensuring they had zero industry to depend on? She needed to do to build some resilience and potential for recovery into the system before she pulled the plug.
1. Money grows on trees?
2. Rather than make welfare payments money should be used on investing?
Most importantly What exactly do you mean by investing?Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyoneComment
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostZero industry - stats please? and how was she to build anything with no money to invest? Are you suggesting
1. Money grows on trees?
2. Rather than make welfare payments money should be used on investing?
Most importantly What exactly do you mean by investing?
In fact you could argue that she was driven ideologically to close the mines, not by her belief in free markets, but by her opposition to reliance on fossil fuels.Last edited by doodab; 15 April 2013, 11:27.While you're waiting, read the free novel we sent you. It's a Spanish story about a guy named 'Manual.'Comment
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