[QUOTE=Peoplesoft bloke;1722515]I cannot believe that any sane person is a serious advocate of workhouses - this has to be a wind up.
If as Dodgy asserts, "Lefties wouldn't like 'em cos they are/were practical" then, as usual he's delusional - the Victorians were perhaps at the pinnacle of hypocrisy (although Mrs Thatcher and Peter Mandelson would be good candidates - but that's a different tale).
If you had done even cursory research you'd know that, for example, some workhouses had crank handles which the residents were expected to turn all day. The handles didn't do anything, they just meant that the Victorian tossers who created them felt they had protected society from the extreme evil that would have otherwise accrued from people being protected (just barely) from starvation and not being required to do something pointless "in return".
I cannot begin to express my contempt for this "race to the bottom" punishment mentality - the entitlement culture is all too apparent - not amongst the majority of working poor and claimants, but amongst overpriviledged gits who talk bollocks about "wealth creation" as if they alone posses the magical skills to tulip money that serfs should be grateful to beg for.
The tragedy of this is that it invites daft dogma - IDS' reforms aren't all bad - the universal credit, is in principal, a good idea - but some of the other reforms are just class war and party dogma - just like (and no worse and no better) Tony Blair having a go at Fox hunting because it wasn't his core vote - nasty, spiteful and intended to appeal to the blind party automata of the "core vote".[/QUOTE
What is wrong with turning a crank handle all day? if the unemployed did this then they could create energy by harnessing their efforts into a generator to keep the lights on whilst at the same time keeping themselves fit and less of a burden to the NHS. Workhouses should not be a punishment entity but a means for people to interract and work with each other attached to opportunities to move out into their own homes and get jobs.
Workhouses are a brilliant idea.
If as Dodgy asserts, "Lefties wouldn't like 'em cos they are/were practical" then, as usual he's delusional - the Victorians were perhaps at the pinnacle of hypocrisy (although Mrs Thatcher and Peter Mandelson would be good candidates - but that's a different tale).
If you had done even cursory research you'd know that, for example, some workhouses had crank handles which the residents were expected to turn all day. The handles didn't do anything, they just meant that the Victorian tossers who created them felt they had protected society from the extreme evil that would have otherwise accrued from people being protected (just barely) from starvation and not being required to do something pointless "in return".
I cannot begin to express my contempt for this "race to the bottom" punishment mentality - the entitlement culture is all too apparent - not amongst the majority of working poor and claimants, but amongst overpriviledged gits who talk bollocks about "wealth creation" as if they alone posses the magical skills to tulip money that serfs should be grateful to beg for.
The tragedy of this is that it invites daft dogma - IDS' reforms aren't all bad - the universal credit, is in principal, a good idea - but some of the other reforms are just class war and party dogma - just like (and no worse and no better) Tony Blair having a go at Fox hunting because it wasn't his core vote - nasty, spiteful and intended to appeal to the blind party automata of the "core vote".[/QUOTE
What is wrong with turning a crank handle all day? if the unemployed did this then they could create energy by harnessing their efforts into a generator to keep the lights on whilst at the same time keeping themselves fit and less of a burden to the NHS. Workhouses should not be a punishment entity but a means for people to interract and work with each other attached to opportunities to move out into their own homes and get jobs.
Workhouses are a brilliant idea.
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