Vicky Pryce Verdict....

[NickFitz]

Can a juror come to a verdict based on a reason that was not presented in court and has no facts or evidence to support it either from the prosecution or defence?

WTF?

Thank you very much ladies and gentlemen of the jury, it is clear to me that you are too stupid to reach a verdict and there will now be a retrial.

And your detailed answers to the other nine questions? Show your working.

[EternalOptimist]

And your detailed answers to the other nine questions? Show your working.

If some smart jurors were trying to educate uninformed ones, sending questions to the judge is not the way to do it

[NickFitz]

If some smart jurors were trying to educate uninformed ones, sending questions to the judge is not the way to do it

Actually, it's the only way to do it. It is not acceptable or legally permissible for one juror to educate another about the law; if any juror is uncertain as to the law, it is for the judge to explain it to them.

[NickFitz]

Here's the questions complete with the judge's answers: Pryce Jury Questions :: Crimeline

How many did you get right?

Next week on CUK: ten questions about the best way to pleasure your hamster.

[EternalOptimist]

Actually, it's the only way to do it. It is not acceptable or legally permissible for one juror to educate another about the law; if any juror is uncertain as to the law, it is for the judge to explain it to them.

wrong. dead wrong.
there was a documentary about this and there was a lad up for murder but one of the jurors bought a knife that was identical to the 'unique' murder weapon, from a shop just around the corner.
In the end, he educated the other 11, and without bothering the judge at all

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Trail by a jury or your peers is just that - you can expect thick people as well as clever ones. The real failing here is on the part of the lawyers and the judge - they live in a rarefied highly lucrative and largely unregulated closed-shop, and if something doesn't go their way, it's someone else's fault. These people are the last bastion of the entitlement culture of the establishment.

[EternalOptimist]

Trail by a jury or your peers is just that - you can expect thick people as well as clever ones. The real failing here is on the part of the lawyers and the judge - they live in a rarefied highly lucrative and largely unregulated closed-shop, and if something doesn't go their way, it's someone else's fault. These people are the last bastion of the entitlement culture of the establishment.

the real problem here, is that instead of returning a minority verdict, some bright spark has tried to be perry mason and tried to educate his fellows

[Spacecadet]

Trail by a jury or your peers is just that - you can expect thick people as well as clever ones. The real failing here is on the part of the lawyers and the judge - they live in a rarefied highly lucrative and largely unregulated closed-shop, and if something doesn't go their way, it's someone else's fault. These people are the last bastion of the entitlement culture of the establishment.

How long is the trail?

Most juries manage to do what is required of them, this lot did seem to be spectacularly thick. I wonder if the outcome would have been any different had the accused husband not been a member of parliament or if the case hadn't been in the papers quite so much

[Peoplesoft bloke]

How long is the trail?

I dunno, what trail?

Most juries manage to do what is required of them, this lot did seem to be spectacularly thick. I wonder if the outcome would have been any different had the accused husband not been a member of parliament or if the case hadn't been in the papers quite so much

Many juries are probably too thick to bother asking questions and just want to get home to X Factor. Some of the questions seemed a bit dim, but some were based on the arcane language and processes of the legal system.

[Lockhouse]

My take on it is she was bang to rights, insulted all women everywhere with her plea and the jury are as thick as two short planks.