More reasons not to buy a Toyota GT86

[rob s]

So should we only allow marketing to be on the basis of ability to do shopping, or drop the kids off at school (but no 4x4s) or just have 1 make of car and one engine size that everyone has to use?

[BoredBloke]

Yes I'm fascinated with the mulish stupidity often displayed by people on this forum.
Are you the new Robby?

No I must be the new SasGuru!

[DodgyAgent]

No I must be the new SasGuru!

Not another one

[rhubarb]

What I'm saying is this car is advertised as being easy to powerslide

Seriously ? Where is this advert ? Toyota website says it has great handling, doesn't mention powerslides.

[BoredBloke]

Seriously ? Where is this advert ? Toyota website says it has great handling, doesn't mention powerslides.

So why fit it with tyres that promote the back end sliding out?

[rob s]

Seriously ? Where is this advert ? Toyota website says it has great handling, doesn't mention powerslides.

It's the opinion=fact fallacy.

[VectraMan]

So why fit it with tyres that promote the back end sliding out?

It's fitted with the same tyres as the Prius. Do you think the Prius is fitted with tyres that promote the back end sliding out?

[Bunk]

Of course it can. It's a driving simulator, hook it up to a decent force-feedback steering wheel and what exactly is your problem? Driving line, drifting, over/under-steer, all these basic things you would not normally get to experience on a regular road.

Computer games have moved on rather a lot since your day I expect. Again, that's why F1 drivers train on them. They even had a TopGear episode where Clarkson used it to learn a track before driving on it.

I'm pretty sure he concluded it was very different driving for real around Laguna Seca than it was in Gran Turismo.

[BoredBloke]

It's fitted with the same tyres as the Prius. Do you think the Prius is fitted with tyres that promote the back end sliding out?

Different car with different properties. The Prius is obviously fitted with these tyres because it provides the grip the car needs. This car is fitted with these tyres so that folks like SasGuru can drive then sideways around corners. Putting more rubber on the road would stop the back end slipping out. This would make it just a fairly slow car. Its selling point is its handling and the fun that can be had by driving it in a certain way! Hence the thin tyres.

[VectraMan]

Of course it can. It's a driving simulator, hook it up to a decent force-feedback steering wheel and what exactly is your problem? Driving line, drifting, over/under-steer, all these basic things you would not normally get to experience on a regular road.

Computer games have moved on rather a lot since your day I expect. Again, that's why F1 drivers train on them. They even had a TopGear episode where Clarkson used it to learn a track before driving on it.

Simulators can never reproduce the G forces, or the balance. It's not like experiencing the real thing, even though it may be pretty accurate in the way it responds to inputs. I've done a fair few trackdays (although I've gone off it a bit), but I've never had any interest in driving games. It doesn't even begin to compare.

F1 drivers don't train on simulators, but use simulators to test things as they aren't allowed to do much real testing. In fact, it's mostly the test drivers (who are real racing drivers too) that do the simulator work. But if you follow F1 you know that the teams often turn up at a race track with parts that the simulator and wind tunnel say are better, and then find that they're slower.

And yes, Jezza was much slower on the track than he was in the game.