George Osborne orders deeper cuts after next election

[Robinho]

Sure, cause this country would do so phenomenally well without all those pesky foreigners, right?

I see you're putting words in my mouth again

How tiresome you are.

[Robinho]

Isn't their coming here a consequence of a free labour market?

Yes, but it's not force, they're voluntarily coming here.

[formant]

Yes, but it's not force, they're voluntarily coming here.

Therefore they should be penalised by tax-funding a welfare system they theselves won't have access to?

I thought you really didn't like being called anti-immigration? You're not helping your case here.

[Robinho]

Therefore they should be penalised by tax-funding a welfare system they theselves won't have access to?

I thought you really didn't like being called anti-immigration? You're not helping your case here.

How are they being penalised?

[formant]

How are they being penalised?

They're funding the UK welfare-system with their taxes and NI contributions, but you'd prefer they don't have access tax/NI funded benefits in return? How is that not penalising people on the sole basis that they're foreign?

Either way, all that would do is make more EU citizens apply for UK citizenship after the qualifying residence period. The average person would probably be able to scrape together those £750 quid if they intend to stay in the UK longterm.

[Waldorf]

Yeah, sure. I mean, it's not like they pay tax and NI to fund those. Oh, wait...

I would guess that most pay very little PAYE/NIC - many will be on very low pay and with the planned increases of the PAYE threshold, this will take them out of tax.

Anyway, they don't have to come and work here, it will be better if they know that as non-UK citizens they will not be able to rely on benefits.

[formant]

I would guess that most pay very little PAYE/NIC - many will be on very low pay and with the planned increases of the PAYE threshold, this will take them out of tax.

Anyway, they don't have to come and work here, it will be better if they know that as non-UK citizens they will not be able to rely on benefits.

Well, this suggests that foreign nationals aren't much of a benefit problem compared to natives:
Factcheck: Are migrants less likely than UK nationals to claim benefits? | Full Fact

I love it when people base their impression of non-UK-citizens purely on recent Eastern European migrants.

Yours sincerely,

Western European Higher Rate Tax Payer

[Robinho]

They're funding the UK welfare-system with their taxes and NI contributions, but you'd prefer they don't have access tax/NI funded benefits in return? How is that not penalising people on the sole basis that they're foreign?

Either way, all that would do is make more EU citizens apply for UK citizenship after the qualifying residence period. The average person would probably be able to scrape together those £750 quid if they intend to stay in the UK longterm.

Going over to their country and saying they don't get any of their own benefits would be penalising them.

Allowing them to come here under certain conditions is not penalising them, because again, nobody is forcing them to come here.

[formant]

Going over to their country and saying they don't get any of their own benefits would be penalising them.

Allowing them to come here under certain conditions is not penalising them, because again, nobody is forcing them to come here.

Yep, you are anti-immigration. No need to discuss this further.

[Robinho]

Yep, you are anti-immigration. No need to discuss this further.

Your inability to make or critique logical arguments and only respond with petty insults is incredibly childish.