George Osborne orders deeper cuts after next election

[Waldorf]

Not sure what your point is, I am stating that benefits should only be paid to UK citizens.

If someone wants to come to the UK to work, it should be on the understanding that they cannot claim benefits. Nice and simple.

I am against immigration but it does not follow that means I am racist, I am not.

Linking anti-immigration with being racist is the same mistake Gordon Brown made in the election with the lady from Rochdale.

The UK is full up and that is the only reason I am against any more being let in, our roads, hospitals, doctor's waiting rooms, schools are creaking at the seams. It is just common sense.

[SueEllen]

1. Merge income tax and National Insurance
2. Only pay benefits to UK citizens
3. Stop most, if not all schemes such as share incentives, VCT, EIS etc and cut basic tax rates
4. Cut overseas aid
5. Add pensioner benefits (tv licence, winter fuel, bus pass etc) to the basic pension so that wealthy pensioners will pay tax on it
6. Close down offshore tax schemes and dodges
7. A full review of the public services, and how they are best provided, a basic aim of reducing costs by at least 50% on admin

1. Won't happen EEA and a few other International agreements plus it makes working out benefit entitlements more complex.
2. Won't happen EU
3. Won't happen got to keep some large businesses happy so they donate to the party coffers.
4. Won't happen see ATW's post on bribes
5. Won't happen pensioners are the only group guaranteed to go out and vote and the number of them is increasing.
6. Won't happen the Tories, Lib Dems and most of Labour MPs have outside interests
7. Won't happen unless they can give more jobs to their family or mates Oh wait the NHS reforms may be an example.

Oh and the reason you can't share tax allowances is a legacy of Mrs T. I got a long explanation from the older women in my family about the horror of shared tax allowances years ago.

[SueEllen]

The UK is full up and that is the only reason I am against any more being let in, our roads, hospitals, doctor's waiting rooms, schools are creaking at the seams. It is just common sense.

Scotland and places in the North are not full.

The SE maybe but that is due to poor policies from successive governments this includes not planning for schools, housing and the elderly. Most immigrants are young and young people tend not to have so many health problems.

[Waldorf]

1. Won't happen EEA and a few other International agreements plus it makes working out benefit entitlements more complex.
2. Won't happen EU
3. Won't happen got to keep some large businesses happy so they donate to the party coffers.
4. Won't happen see ATW's post on bribes
5. Won't happen pensioners are the only group guaranteed to go out and vote and the number of them is increasing.
6. Won't happen the Tories, Lib Dems and most of Labour MPs have outside interests
7. Won't happen unless they can give more jobs to their family or mates Oh wait the NHS reforms may be an example.

Oh and the reason you can't share tax allowances is a legacy of Mrs T. I got a long explanation from the older women in my family about the horror of shared tax allowances years ago.

Nice positive post.

NIC & Tax will be combined at some point, most benefits have no bearing on "contributions" and no reason why they cannot be removed.

Who said we remain in the EU? Anyway, there are ways, we could at least start with restricting benefits to EU citizens and then move to limit to what they would get in their own country. We probably will have to limit benefits paid to UK citizens as well at some point.

Pension benefits will be tackled but I would agree it will be after the next election.

The remainder of your points are not worth replying to but interest groups have been tackled before, not so long ago tobacco and breweries were big donors, but they were dealt with.

Unless we act now, we will end up not being able to borrow money and we will have to CUT benefits etc let alone limit their increase.

I never mentioned sharing tax allowances, I cannot see this happening now that we have equality between husband/wife etc.

[Waldorf]

Scotland and places in the North are not full.

The SE maybe but that is due to poor policies from successive governments this includes not planning for schools, housing and the elderly. Most immigrants are young and young people tend not to have so many health problems.

So what, we look at the country as a whole not just pockets.

No government can plan immigration because they have very little control over who comes in.

Young immigrants cause strain on the NHS (maternity), and in the long term they will get old, schools, roads etc - it all adds up to a strain on the UK public services.

Labour just imported immigrants as they are more likely to vote for them, sod the long term consequence for the country.

[SueEllen]

Nice positive post.

NIC & Tax will be combined at some point, most benefits have no bearing on "contributions" and no reason why they cannot be removed.

Who said we remain in the EU? Anyway, there are ways, we could at least start with restricting benefits to EU citizens and then move to limit to what they would get in their own country. We probably will have to limit benefits paid to UK citizens as well at some point.

Pension benefits will be tackled but I would agree it will be after the next election.

The remainder of your points are not worth replying to but interest groups have been tackled before, not so long ago tobacco and breweries were big donors, but they were dealt with.

Unless we act now, we will end up not being able to borrow money and we will have to CUT benefits etc let alone limit their increase.

I never mentioned sharing tax allowances, I cannot see this happening now that we have equality between husband/wife etc.

NIC is a social tax. All the EU countries I've looked at have a social tax on employees and employers. It means in certain circumstances you can get away not paying it.

The point of the EU is political so we will probably stay in it. (It's not in any UK politicians interests to be out of it.) If it enlarges to let a country Germany definitely doesn't want in, then a lot of treaties will change to suit the UK.

In regards to limiting benefits paid to people - if you are single or a couple with no/grown up children you get SFA from the government in terms of benefits. Every time there is a benefits cut these categories get hit the hardest. Not everyone has relations they can live with or off for the period of 6-12 weeks on average it takes them to get another job.

Someone else brought up shared tax allowances and I was explaining why there would be a backlash if the Tories tried to bring it in.

[Waldorf]

NIC is a social tax. All the EU countries I've looked at have a social tax on employees and employers. It means in certain circumstances you can get away not paying it.

The point of the EU is political so we will probably stay in it. (It's not in any UK politicians interests to be out of it.) If it enlarges to let a country Germany definitely doesn't want in, then a lot of treaties will change to suit the UK.

In regards to limiting benefits paid to people - if you are single or a couple with no/grown up children you get SFA from the government in terms of benefits. Every time there is a benefits cut these categories get hit the hardest. Not everyone has relations they can live with or off for the period of 6-12 weeks on average it takes them to get another job.

Someone else brought up shared tax allowances and I was explaining why there would be a backlash if the Tories tried to bring it in.

As far as I am aware, Sweden does not have social security taxes on employees, only the employer pays it. So we can merge them, the EU will have nothing to do with it.

I see Cameron will commit to a referendum so perhaps we will not stay in, but even if we do we can limited what benefits we pay.

But there are jobs, otherwise why have we imported 4 million people in the last ten years, if there are no benefits you will be amazed at what jobs will suddenly appeal.

As with all Labour supporters, no-one seems to come up with a solution on how to balance the books, they jump up at every attempt to cuts costs but have no proposals on what they would do.

[SueEllen]

So what, we look at the country as a whole not just pockets.

No government can plan immigration because they have very little control over who comes in.

Young immigrants cause strain on the NHS (maternity), and in the long term they will get old, schools, roads etc - it all adds up to a strain on the UK public services.

Labour just imported immigrants as they are more likely to vote for them, sod the long term consequence for the country.

Immigrants including those from the EU can't vote in parliamentary elections unless they are from Ireland.

So yes it may suit Labour councillors to have lots of immigrants in their area but judging from voter turnout in local elections I doubt it.

Immigration suits big business leaders more than anyone else. Having lots of people who are eager to do your work for a static pay level over the years, simply because they don't know the benefits system,their rights and what is a living wage means you can make more money.

[SueEllen]

As far as I am aware, Sweden does not have social security taxes on employees, only the employer pays it. So we can merge them, the EU will have nothing to do with it.

I see Cameron will commit to a referendum so perhaps we will not stay in, but even if we do we can limited what benefits we pay.

But there are jobs, otherwise why have we imported 4 million people in the last ten years, if there are no benefits you will be amazed at what jobs will suddenly appeal.

As with all Labour supporters, no-one seems to come up with a solution on how to balance the books, they jump up at every attempt to cuts costs but have no proposals on what they would do.

Funny how you presume people who disagree with you vote Labour.

Oddly I have spent time with Conservative and Lib Dem politicians, so I'm fully aware that not all Tories are anti-Europe. Most of them keep their mouths shut as they don't want to be ripped apart in the media over any views.

The closest I've got to a left wing view is having in depth conversations with a Green party candidate. He was more interested in increasing their voting share than anything else as he knew they wouldn't get elected.

Oh and I live in an area where they is often not any Labour local election candidates as they would lose their deposits.

BTW where did I say there were not jobs? One of my posts pointed out the 6-12 week period which is the average people stay on the dole. The reason our benefits bill is high is because taxpayers subsidise those on low wages in the wrong way.

[ZARDOZ]

They should be ordering them now.

Every year that goes by we're adding another 10% of GDP onto our debt.

It's unforgivable what Labour have done to this country.

Hang on a second Labour are responsible for certain things but the Banking crisis was not really one of them. All this QE stems from that. So if you want to start having a go at sectors which need to shape up I suggest you start with Banking.