White British minority in "vibrant" and "diverse" London

[vetran]

Not a whole lot of employers sponsor visas at the moment. Adding massive additional costs through an auction system, is going to reduce that number even further, meaning even more employers won't bother with foreign residents at all. That may be a 'win' for the type of person that's of the opinion that immigrants are 'stealing' our jobs, but it's also likely to cause a skills-gap in certain industries.


The UK isn't currently handing 'them out to anyone'.

BBC News - Company migrants to UK outnumber skilled worker visas

Firms using the intra-company transfer (ICT) scheme brought in 29,700 non-European staff in the 12 months to September 2011.

The number of entrants to the UK via ICT per million of the population was "substantially higher for the UK" than for comparable countries such as the US, Spain, Canada, Australia, Japan, Germany and Ireland.

One firm alone, which is a major manufacturer in Britain but also has a consultancy arm, brought in 4,000 migrant workers alone last year, Prof Metcalf said.

- That would be Tata then.

not sure where you are getting your opinions from but they need reviewing.

[formant]

BBC News - Company migrants to UK outnumber skilled worker visas

If you followed the discussion, Robinho is concerned with immigrants as a whole, not just the visa-holding kind (mostly with the 'cleaner' types of EU workers). In the grand scheme of all things immigration/EU movement, the number of company sponsored visas is clearly a non-issue.

[Robinho]

Are you now proposing that the highest bidder pays for their visa retrospectively? After they earned it back in the UK? Or should they just get into debt over their application?

There are many ways to finance things. I've not specified any as of yet.

Are you actually under the impression that the best jobs always go to the best people? And how would they know that in advance? How would that spoilt, inexperienced, just-out-of-uni kid of wealthy parents anticipate that there's a chance they may not end up in a particularly great job over here? Yet this is another category of people who'd easily make it in through your auction, yet may not be part of that highly productive workforce you really want.

But this is the case in the real world anyway, there's no way of getting round this. However, it will still skew the immigrants coming into the UK to more skilled workers.

Not a whole lot of employers sponsor visas at the moment. Adding massive additional costs through an auction system,

There aren't many sponser because there are so many immigrants (too many). Cost will never be onerous because it will be an auction. Nobody is going to bid for a visa for a price that makes no economic sense so the price will stop going up.

but it's also likely to cause a skills-gap in certain industries.

No it won't. Here's the dynamics, skill shortage >> jobs in that industry pay more due to low supply >> salaries reach a price where it's economical to get a visa.

The UK isn't currently handing 'them out to anyone'.

They effectively are via the EU.

Your creative misinterpretation of my point is what's idiotic here. A lot of what you've attempted to paraphrase here bears no resemblance to what I've actually written. Your reading skills are really unimpressive.

Here's what you said...

"But you seem to think that this would be helped by creating a barrier that essentially encourages the corrupt ones and discourages the honest (but not wealthy) hard-worker."

Catching and prosecuting them retrospectively, once they're in, is quite a considerable tax-drain.

Maybe you should reclarify your position if you think i've got it wrong.

I give up. Just keep thinking that your little idea (alongside leaving the EU of course) will magically fix everything you think is wrong with immigration at present.

What i think is wrong with immigration is that too many people are coming in vs going out and the population is swelling, if you think auctioning off a set amount of visas isn't going to cure that, and if you can't see how it would skew it to higher skilled workers, tbh, you are mentally retarded.

[vetran]

If you followed the discussion, Robinho is concerned with immigrants as a whole, not just the visa-holding kind (mostly with the 'cleaner' types of EU workers). In the grand scheme of all things immigration/EU movement, the number of company sponsored visas is clearly a non-issue.

is it?

Cleaners etc are probably tax neutral, there is so little tax take (most UK cleaners would qualify for tax credits anyway)we should be glad of any money they spend here. ICT level jobs traditionally are likely to provide £10,000+ of tax per person.

They drive the wages down for other similar jobs so we are probably seeing tax take reductions from that as well.

Also remember this is per year, renewals aren't in these figures. They can last 5+ years and naturalise.

It is also 10% of immigration, which doubles to 20% + if you consider spouses etc.

EU we missed the boat we could have held off for 7 years the government decided not to.

Illegals we are slowly starting to close the borders but there are so many

[vetran]

The correct way to resolve ICT & Highly skilled is to set minimum wage at 95th percentile of all wages all taxable from day one, no double taxation, no tax reclaim or access to public funds.

That way they stop it being about cost. These are supposedly exceptional workers so they should be in top 5% of earners.