Here's hoping this finally comes into play

[escapeUK]

I think this guy hit the nail square on the head:-

http://www.tullettprebon.com/Documen...Report_007.pdf

Labour’s period in office was characterised not just by economic and fiscal mismanagement but also by the promotion of a culture of moral absolutism centred around spurious and selective concepts of ‘fairness’. This culture, and the accompanying sense of individual and collective entitlement, is the biggest obstacle in the way of effective economic reform.

He goes into it in some length of page 46. The whole thing is definitely worth reading.

[minestrone]

I think this guy hit the nail square on the head:-

http://www.tullettprebon.com/Documen...Report_007.pdf



He goes into it in some length of page 46. The whole thing is definitely worth reading.

Nice one.

That is the afternoon sorted after I get back from the pub.

[The Spartan]

It's been unsustainable for years, as a child I couldn't believe how much disposable income my Mum had. She got benefits for 3 kids, worked for cash in hand (got busted twice for it and they didn't do a thing really), plus had keep off my stepdad and he lived with us and she claimed that she didn't know who the father was to the CSA.

[vetran]

It's been unsustainable for years, as a child I couldn't believe how much disposable income my Mum had. She got benefits for 3 kids, worked for cash in hand (got busted twice for it and they didn't do a thing really), plus had keep off my stepdad and he lived with us and she claimed that she didn't know who the father was to the CSA.

so how would you fix it?

We already know how other posters would, they would rob the rich(i.e. anyone working).

[The Spartan]

so how would you fix it?

We already know how other posters would, they would rob the rich(i.e. anyone working).

I'm not saying I could fix it but I would implement a number of changes:
1. Anyone entering the UK would have to work/pay tax for 5 years before they could claim any benefit
2. Introduce a benefit debit card that can be used to purchase only the necessities
3. Cap benefits at two children which would help alleviate the need for them to have bigger houses
4. Benefits provided for things like unemployment would be for a defined period time only 5-7 years
5. As far as housing goes you have to take what's available in relation to the area and not say I want to live here as currently in Cardiff you're allowed to specify where you would like a property and can refuse 3 times before being taken off the housing list
6. Allow the houses owned by housing associations and councils in good areas to go to those working in relation to receiving
benefits and not the families that don't work and have parties and cause a general nuisance.
7. Do away with physical cash, make everything electronic and do away with this cash in hand malarkey

[escapeUK]

I'm not saying I could fix it but I would implement a number of changes:

All good ideas. I would make benefits linked to contributions, so that people who have paid in thousands over 20 years get looked after rather than people who never contributed but got pregnant.

I would make hostels for these women for those who couldnt live with their own family. (There would be no free houses.) These would provide a safe environment, with lessons in cooking, cleaning, back to work skills, and provide free creche facilities for those who got a job. They would be looked after, but it wouldnt become a nice easy lifestyle for anyone.

[The Spartan]

All good ideas. I would make benefits linked to contributions, so that people who have paid in thousands over 20 years get looked after rather than people who never contributed but got pregnant.

Definitely agree with this, I would also change the NHS so that those who have/had contributed get priority over those who haven't (this wouldn't include children obviously) so that these people could return to work quicker and continue to prop up the economy.

[escapeUK]

None of these things will ever happen of course. We need something new. But people will continue to vote themselves free stuff from other peoples money with the same old tired parties that are all the same.

It should be no representation without paying taxation.

[The Spartan]

It should be no representation without paying taxation.

Agreed why should someone be able to vote and have a say how the pot is used when they've not contributed.

[vetran]

ESA (contribution based JSA)exits but has been trimmed

Changes to contribution-based Employment and Support Allowance - DWP

They have done the same with pensions unfortunately.

Not sure i would link NHS care to contributions. I would however remove entitlement for any elective procedures for immigrants until they have done 5 years working, I would also base some immigration on health grounds (we don't need asylum seekers that have crossed Europe with communicable diseases or people turning up for free birth care - sorry its harsh but we can't afford to treat our grannies).

agree with working, ex services and disabled having priority, in conjunction with this however charge 20% above the market rents and discounted according to need. As need changes people naturally move to the private sector. Bob Crowe could buy his own house not block a council one.

I would do away with right to buy discounts and offer government mortgages to tenants that buy instead (base rate mortgage so no loss but pays for itself retiring old council housing), ring fence profits for housing - stop councils selling their housing stock then spending it on outreach workers.

Agree non working people should be offered houses in available areas, harsh but the only way to repopulate ghost towns up north. Combine that with business creation in those areas.