On religion

[speling bee]

So the Christian God is not all powerful? Could you point me towards the bible references that support that?


But it was not true 'death' though, was it? Jesus simply joined God in heaven again and they carried on as normal as they have since eternity and will do until eternity. Even his human shell did not die properly as it was resurrected 3 days later - although the gospels do vary on the details! Even if Jesus was God's son rather than just a projection on earth he would lose nothing by him actually dying as God can experience spending eternity with Jesus if he wanted to as he can do anything - he could just create a parallel universe where whatever he wants to happen happens.

Spelling Bee,
Do you agree that the Christian God is not all powerful?

This is all theological as I'm an atheist.

God is all powerful. But if you mean does God have the power to be illogical, then that is a complex (but ultimately pointless) philosophical question. Pointless, because if God is outside logic, then we could never comprehend this as we are bound by logic.

[speling bee]

I didn't.

I'll use smaller words in the New Testament.

[sasguru]

...as we are bound by logic.

And you've been on this forum how long?

[sasguru]

I'll use smaller words in the New Testament.

Make sure you kill some intelligent first borns too.

[speling bee]

Make sure you kill some intelligent first borns too.

Why do you think you were spared?

[d000hg]

Religion is a farce. You only have to look at the history of the Christian churches to see what a fallacy all this 'love thy neighbour' crap is. If they weren't stringing Muslims up outside the walls of Jerusalem, they were enslaving them to boost the coffers of the Church.

Of course they also feed the poor and provide refuge for the down-trodden. But It's far easier to make a strong argument if you sift through the data looking only for the parts supporting what you already decided your conclusion was going to be.

You might as well say that humanity is a farce because of Hitler, Stalin and the things they caused, conveniently forgetting all the parts of history that aren't about war and genocide.

[speling bee]

Of course they also feed the poor and provide refuge for the down-trodden. But It's far easier to make a strong argument if you sift through the data looking only for the parts supporting what you already decided your conclusion was going to be.

You might as well say that humanity is a farce because of Hitler, Stalin and the things they caused, conveniently forgetting all the parts of history that aren't about war and genocide.

I'm with you here. Powerful tyrants will always use what tools they have to hand. Ideologists will always justify their crimes.

[d000hg]

So the Christian God is not all powerful? Could you point me towards the bible references that support that?

As I said, you misunderstand the term. The bible says God is unchanging and eternal. His unchanging nature is a key feature of Christian/Jewish theology.

But it was not true 'death' though, was it? Jesus simply joined God in heaven again and they carried on as normal as they have since eternity and will do until eternity. Even his human shell did not die properly as it was resurrected 3 days later - although the gospels do vary on the details

The gospels say he was dead. And then was resurrected. the entire point of being resurrected is that you are dead beforehand.

There are other instances of Jesus reviving people from the dead in the gospels, those people (we assume) lived the rest of their normal lives and then died like everyone else. Does that mean they didn't die either? The entire crux of the cruxification and what it means is 100% hinged on the fact that Jesus was truly dead as a human would be, and then came back to life. This is the axiom on which the whole of Christianity is founded.

[sasguru]

Why do you think you were spared?

That's obvious. I'm not a first born. You?

[speling bee]

That's obvious. I'm not a first born. You?

You can't even count to one! Best get on with the Book of Moron for you.