Depending on the %age of workforce being let go, they might not have to do the whole scoring thing.
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Been involved in this a couple of times from the mgmt side. Thing that struck me is that it was all completely sorted out from the company side, who they wanted, new org chart, how they would score it all to make the outcome match what they wanted, who would handle the discussions etc etc etc. Way before they let anyone affected know.
Then they claim its all under construction, everyone will be given a fair chance etc.
When this does happen it often gives good opportunities to some people who are favoured. As a contractor its easy to say take the cash and run but it can be a nightmare for the people involved.Comment
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Originally posted by lukemg View PostBeen involved in this a couple of times from the mgmt side. Thing that struck me is that it was all completely sorted out from the company side, who they wanted, new org chart, how they would score it all to make the outcome match what they wanted, who would handle the discussions etc etc etc. Way before they let anyone affected know.
Then they claim its all under construction, everyone will be given a fair chance etc.
When this does happen it often gives good opportunities to some people who are favoured. As a contractor its easy to say take the cash and run but it can be a nightmare for the people involved.
Yes it ain't pleasant but any other approach will lead to greater mental problems.merely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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Agree with what escapeUK says. Yes, there are laws and they've got to do it properly, follow the procedure, do the selection thing etc.
But, basically, its all bollacks. Companies can get rid of who they want because they know they can pay lip service to doing it properly. Yeh they make sure they follow the procedure and do all the paperwork, at risk etc.
Also, they know that they can offer a little more money, and get staff to sign a compromise agreement anyway.
Been made redundant 4 times in 10 years from permie jobs so I've seen a bit of it. Got a solicitor friend whos an employment law specialist and a few times I've engaged him.
Small company whos MD turned up one day and said sorry mate. Couldn't even be arsed to find out correct procedure. Mate got me an extra months pay out of that one.
Another place decided me and a few others were going to suspended unless we signed compromise agreement. Mate advised me to take the extra money. Not worth taking further.
Big multi-national. Looked like they did it all properly but they didnt really. I volunteered and signed compromise to get more money.
Bottom line is if companies want you gone thats it. You might be able to screw them for a bit more but basically thats it.
My current client is the same. Loads of redundancies but the contractors are rolling in. Permies = head count, contractors dont count. LOL. Suits me for now.Rhyddid i lofnod psychocandy!!!!Comment
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yep there is only one important party in this - YOU.
They are stiffing you make sure get the maximum you can. Take Garden leave if you can, don't go to the wire working yourself into an early grave, they won't thank you.
Also its 3 months for it to go tits up and which increases the chance of you being hired back on a suitable day rate to fix. I trebled my day rate to pop in and do 10 minutes of work. result.Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.Comment
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Some advice:
Get an agent and prepare a list of all your contacts and then hand them over. Your career will take offLet us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyoneComment
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostSome advice:
Get an agent and prepare a list of all your contacts and then hand them over. Your career will take off
PM Dodgy your manager's and HR lead's names and he'll take it from there.The material prosperity of a nation is not an abiding possession; the deeds of its people are.
George Frederic Watts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postman's_ParkComment
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Didn't read all the responses but remember they must make the role redundant not the person. If they get rid of you and someone steps in to your boots they are breaking the law.
Of course it is much more complicated than that but that is a good basis to understand if this is right or not.'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!Comment
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Originally posted by lukemg View Post
Been involved in this a couple of times from the mgmt side. Thing that struck me is that it was all completely sorted out from the company side, who they wanted, new org chart, how they would score it all to make the outcome match what they wanted, who would handle the discussions etc etc etc. Way before they let anyone affected know.
Then they claim its all under construction, everyone will be given a fair chance etc.
When this does happen it often gives good opportunities to some people who are favoured. As a contractor its easy to say take the cash and run but it can be a nightmare for the people involved.
A last in first out policy, to minimize redundancy costs, obviously has the side effect of tending to keep experienced staff. But gaining that advantage is purely coincidental.Work in the public sector? Read the IR35 FAQ hereComment
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