Professional bullying

[northernladuk]

At clientco we have meetings between senior devs, managemenet and contractors, most times each group has a different opinion on a specific aspect of the project. We leave with some disagreement or no conclusion reached. Then management and senior permies will gather in the office of senior management and not invite the contractors. Decisions are then arrived at which normally result in the worst outcome for the contractors and we are told to simply accept these decisions. To me this feels like a form of professional bullying, perhaps I'm wrong or over reacting but it sure does feel crap.

That sounds bloody brilliant to me. No IR35 problems on that gig at all. Where can I get one of them?

And you call that bullying??? Jesus.

[EternalOptimist]

At clientco we have meetings between senior devs, managemenet and contractors, most times each group has a different opinion on a specific aspect of the project. We leave with some disagreement or no conclusion reached. Then management and senior permies will gather in the office of senior management and not invite the contractors. Decisions are then arrived at which normally result in the worst outcome for the contractors and we are told to simply accept these decisions. To me this feels like a form of professional bullying, perhaps I'm wrong or over reacting but it sure does feel crap.

ah. there is disagreement, someone has to make the judgement call, and it's not you.

it can be a bummer, esp when you KNOW you are right.
but then everyone thinks they are right, right ?

if there is a track record and they dont pay attention to it, then they are fools, apart from that, just suck it up my friend

[kingcook]

At clientco we have meetings between senior devs, managemenet and contractors, most times each group has a different opinion on a specific aspect of the project. We leave with some disagreement or no conclusion reached. Then management and senior permies will gather in the office of senior management and not invite the contractors. Decisions are then arrived at which normally result in the worst outcome for the contractors and we are told to simply accept these decisions. To me this feels like a form of professional bullying, perhaps I'm wrong or over reacting but it sure does feel crap.

If you have building/plumbing/whatever work at home, and you + the missus have a meeting with the tradesman to discuss what you'd like doing/cost/etc, and then have a private meeting later with the missus... do you think the tradesman gets offended?

[SueEllen]

Then management and senior permies will gather in the office of senior management and not invite the contractors. Decisions are then arrived at which normally result in the worst outcome for the contractors and we are told to simply accept these decisions.

If you are in situation where there is group politics going on you need to ensure the permies - management or senior- think that your idea on a situation is their idea well before the meeting occurs.

Then just accept what they decide.

To me this feels like a form of professional bullying, perhaps I'm wrong or over reacting but it sure does feel crap.

It's not bullying it's politics and business.

[MaryPoppins]

I like the ocean it contains many wonderful islands

Girl I sit next to says it.

[northernladuk]

To me this feels like a form of professional bullying, perhaps I'm wrong or over reacting but it sure does feel crap.

Advice on how to deal with this type of bullying

Tools required to deal with this type of bullying

HTH

[SueEllen]

Girl I sit next to says it.

Ohh you could have so much fun talking about holidays every time she says that word.

[SueEllen]

Advice on how to deal with this type of bullying

Tools required to deal with this type of bullying

HTH

[insur]

ah. there is disagreement, someone has to make the judgement call, and it's not you.

it can be a bummer, esp when you KNOW you are right.
but then everyone thinks they are right, right ?

if there is a track record and they dont pay attention to it, then they are fools, apart from that, just suck it up my friend

Following these private meetings, when the contractors bump into senior management we get the cold shoulder.

As you can imagine a lot of personal sh**e is probably thrown at us in these closed meetings but as we are excluded we have no opportunity to defend ourselves.

In the meantime the permies are walking around like the cat that got the cream. It is really starting to get to me now!

Project discussions should be open and transparent.

[EternalOptimist]

Following these private meetings, when the contractors bump into senior management we get the cold shoulder.

As you can imagine a lot of personal sh**e is probably thrown at us in these closed meetings but as we are excluded we have no opportunity to defend ourselves.

In the meantime the permies are walking around like the cat that got the cream. It is really starting to get to me now!

Project discussions should be open and transparent.

you are sounding a little bit sensitive there