ffs: Guantanamo suicides 'acts of war'

[AlfredJPruffock]

Does anybody actually believe this drivel.

It is the very invasion of Iraq that has given those like Zargawi the excuse to do what they do. It is the continual invasion of Muslim countries by the West, plus a failer to defend and protect them that has given disenfranchised Muslims the idea that we in the Western Liberal democracies have it in for them.

The invasion of Iraq was wrong in international law because the Iraq was not in the process of invading any country after 10 years of sanctions and a no-fly zone under the existing UN mandates.

No evidence of WMD were found either by the inspectors tasked with finding them nor by the allied forces since the wars end.

We cannot keep invading Muslim countries with impunity and expecting the Islamic community to sit idly by while we do it.

Consider first that Bush is financed by oil companies and what went up after the war and is still high priced - Oil.

Well Said Z, and I dont believe this drivel either, which is pretty rich considering I posted it.

Given that I have been one of the biggest objectors to the Iraq War I thought it would be an interesting exercise in propaganda to take a contrary view and try to justify it, hence my statements,but well spotted and a good response.

The fact is that secular Saddam,for all his faults , was vehemently against Al Queda and since his downfall Iraq hqs become a magnet for all manner of Jihadists.

As the Chinese say , Its easier to burn a house than to build one.

[wendigo100]

It is the very invasion of Iraq that has given those like Zargawi the excuse to do what they do.

True. Saddam Hussein had no truck with Al Qua'eda.

[Not So Wise]

He is simply a puppet of the American government. He is being told what to do by a team of 50+ military experts, the CIA, the FBI and countless other agencies and individuals. Do you really think this is how the most powerful country in the world is run. Some nobody comes into power and is given the authority to launch nuclear weapons?

He is the man in charge, he bears responsiblity, if people below him are giving him wrong advise he bears responsibility because he hires the people below him, they hire the ones below them and so forth. The "buck" stops with him

And if you look at the people Bush is putting in positions of power it becomes easy to understand why he is getting such bad "advise"

[Mordac]

Does anybody actually believe this drivel.

It is the very invasion of Iraq that has given those like Zargawi the excuse to do what they do. It is the continual invasion of Muslim countries by the West, plus a failer to defend and protect them that has given disenfranchised Muslims the idea that we in the Western Liberal democracies have it in for them.
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So what was their excuse for 9/11 then? If you imagine for a second that had Iraq not been invaded then Al-Zaqawi and his cronies would be sat at home baking muffins and playing tiddlywinks, then you are a deluded fool.
Zaqawi had been a criminal thug since the 80s, and being a Muslim is no justification for what he was doing.
And in case you hadn't noticed it, it is Muslims who are mostly killing Muslims. The Sunnis and Shias don't get on, and never have.

[AlfredJPruffock]

So what was their excuse for 9/11 then? If you imagine for a second that had Iraq not been invaded then Al-Zaqawi and his cronies would be sat at home baking muffins and playing tiddlywinks, then you are a deluded fool.
Zaqawi had been a criminal thug since the 80s, and being a Muslim is no justification for what he was doing.
And in case you hadn't noticed it, it is Muslims who are mostly killing Muslims. The Sunnis and Shias don't get on, and never have.

If you wanted to address the criminal acts of 9 11 then Saudia Arabia should have been the target, Iraq had no connection whatsoever to 9 11.

[wendigo100]

If you wanted to address the criminal acts of 9 11 then Saudia Arabia should have been the target, Iraq had no connection whatsoever to 9 11.

True. Saudi and Afganistan. Nobody moaned about invading Afganistan.

[Mordac]

If you wanted to address the criminal acts of 9 11 then Saudia Arabia should have been the target, Iraq had no connection whatsoever to 9 11.

Alf I was responding to Zathras who suggested the invasion of Iraq was the reason they went round bombing and beheading people. They (Al-Qaeda collectively) were doing it before, it's just that no-one was taking much interest.

[DaveB]

Judging for the more recent reports coming out of Iraq it would seem that his own people "turned him in". It seems even they were becoming tired of his extreem violence and policy of targetting civilians. Much easier to get the americans to deal with him than try and engineer an internal power struggle.

I'd guess we can expect to see a short period of lower activity followed by renewed attacks targetting the occupying forces and military rather than indiscriminate bombing of civilian targets.

[AlfredJPruffock]

Alf I was responding to Zathras who suggested the invasion of Iraq was the reason they went round bombing and beheading people. They (Al-Qaeda collectively) were doing it before, it's just that no-one was taking much interest.

Fair comment Mordac,thanks for the clarification, anyway Ive said way too much on this topic before so here endeth my input.

[Mailman]

I'd guess we can expect to see a short period of lower activity followed by renewed attacks targetting the occupying forces and military rather than indiscriminate bombing of civilian targets.

Not likely, its much easier to kill your fellow muslims than it is to target the allied forces. And lets face the facts, why would you go after a hard target if you were a terrorist when you can get easy targets that dont fight back.

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