Rain, rain, rain

[Old Hack]

Of course as part of the US goes though a heat wave, no-one wants to mention the unusual cooling in the southern hemisphere:

Cold Snap Claims 14 Lives In Chile…Agricultural Emergency In Argentina…Tasmania Coldest Temperature In 30 Years…

Are you being serious?

This is climate change: things that are happening that shouldn't, things that should happen that aren't. It really isn't too much of a journey to make boys.

[Scoobos]

is there an echo in this thread ?

[Old Hack]

Sorry Scoobos, but it's actually making me giggle, and I didn't see your post.

From what I can see, all of his links, are actually proving climate change.

[BlasterBates]

I'll try help you, but I'm wasting my breath .

Having travelled all around the world in the last 5 years, nearly everyone is worried OR saying its a one off - EVERY year to every event. Natural or not, somethings happening ....

Is that based on reading newspaper reports and TV programs that emphasise unusual temperatures or rainfall or is it based on a scientific analysis, i.e. some objective measure as to whether there are more extremes than there were before.

Just as an example there has been the quietest period for hurricanes! Surely that's a sign of less extremes (correct me if I'm wrong).

I have been following the climate debate and currently the so called extremes are not outside natural variability.

When the US would get hot weather 20 years ago it might get passing comment in the Newspaper, now it's front line news. Don't mix up collective hysteria with real climate extremes.

Incidentally 1912 was a lot wetter than 2012. What caused the extreme in 1912. "Natural variability" I hear everyone say...ah I but 2012's wet weather is "climate change". That's different, why, because well everyone says it is....hmm yes well.

[Old Hack]

Is that based on reading newspaper reports and TV programs that emphasise unusual temperatures or rainfall or is it based on a scientific analysis, i.e. some objective measure as to whether there are more extremes than there were before.

Just as an example there has been the quietest period for hurricanes! Surely that's a sign of less extremes (correct me if I'm wrong).

I have been following the climate debate and currently the so called extremes are not outside natural variability.

When the US would get hot weather 20 years ago it might get passing comment in the Newspaper, now it's front line news. Don't mix up collective hysteria with real climate extremes.

Incidentally 1912 was a lot wetter than 2012. What caused the extreme in 1912. "Natural variability" I hear everyone say...ah I but 2012's wet weather is "climate change". That's different, why, because well everyone says it is....hmm yes well.

Don't you get it?

If somethings are happening, that shoyuldn't, and some things not happening, that should, they are all out of the ordinary, and not normal events. That is climate change. 6 years of non normal hurricane activity is climate change. Record rainfalls - Months on one day, is not normal. Record high temps, are not normal.That they are happening with regularity, means the climate is changing.

Or can't you make that link?

PS. 20 years ago in the states, the weather was not as warm as this year. 20 years ago in the states, they were having normal hurricane seasons. 20 years ago in the states, they didn't have record rainfall in Florida.

One thing, or several things in isolation would, perhaps, add weight to your argument. However, as this is now happening everywhere (coldest winters in Antartica/hottest summers in States/wettest summers in UK/Wettest summers in parts of europe/russia/etc, etc, etc), with more frequency, then surely you can make the leap, that things aren't right, things have changed?

Not too long ago, I was wondering if it was through rose tinted specs that I was viewing weather throughout my life as constantly becomming worse, but it isn't, it's factual that in the past 45 years, the weather has changed, is changing.

[BlasterBates]

Don't you get it?

If somethings are happening, that shoyuldn't, and some things not happening, that should, they are all out of the ordinary, and not normal events. That is climate change. 6 years of non normal hurricane activity is climate change. Record rainfalls - Months on one day, is not normal. Record high temps, are not normal.That they are happening with regularity, means the climate is changing.

Or can't you make that link?

In the 1960's if there had been a weather extreme in China, Russia or South America, it would never have been reported, and to get a perspective there were plenty of weather extremes in the 1960's. There was a winter where the North of Germany was cut off by extreme arctic conditions. There was massive flooding in Holland and North Germany. The UK had one of the severest winters ever. In China there was a series of floods and droughts that lead to an absolute disaster for their agriculture.

I mean if you look back in history there are plenty of meterological disasters to look back on. What makes you think the weather used to follow a regular pattern?

[Old Hack]

In the 1960's if there had been a weather extreme in China, Russia or South America, it would never have been reported, and to get a perspective there were plenty of weather extremes in the 1960's. There was a winter where the North of Germany was cut off by extreme arctic conditions. There was massive flooding in Holland and North Germany. The UK had one of the severest winters ever. In China there was a series of floods and droughts in the 1960's that lead to an absolute disaster for their agriculture.

I mean if you look back in history there are plenty of meterological disasters to look back on. What makes you think the weather used to follow a regular pattern?

20 year ago, no, it wouldn't have been reported. However the data is available now isn't it, so we know.

As I said, one or two things happening, is variation. once you start having regular extreme weather changes, then it isn't variation, it's change.

Surely you cna see that? Surely?

[eek]

If you are rabbiting on about climate change would you care to argue over this

Climate was HOTTER in Roman, medieval times than now: Study ? The Register

Of course if you believe climate is controlled by solar cycles all this climate change goff is irrelevant.

[Old Hack]

I am guessing that checking climate change through the medium of the rings in trees is not an exact science, and the previous time they did this, they had it as cooler...

Hmmm.

[Doggy Styles]

I said before that the climate is always changing. What you are doing is taking a very brief moment of history and extrapolating something semi-permanent and dramatic from it.

What I am saying is that you could have done that over any period in history, were the data available, and come to every variety of conclusion. It's cooling, it's warming, and all points in between.